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Re:We're not based in the valley. by jcr on Monday January 10, 2011 @06:53PM (#2090199)
There's a difference between being defensive about where you are not located, and actively promoting your favored location. I was born, raised and still live in the Silicon Valley, but even a remote simpleton like me knows how cool tech can be in Austin TX...

http://geekaustin.org/

http://sdf.lonestar.org/

As for startup stuff going on in Austin, from JUST today's reading I noticed the following being in Austin:

http://blog.asmartbear.com

http://wpengine.com/

http://www.capitalthought.com/

I'll still prefer my home over yours, but your home is also pretty sweet (and worth bragging about).

Re:We're not based in the valley. by StavrosK on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:35PM (#2090621)
As far as I'm concerned, you all have it easy. Try running a startup from a remote town in Greece!
Re:We're not based in the valley. by dbrannan on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:41PM (#2090640)
Try Alaska. I keep getting phone calls at 4 AM several times a month.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by foxylad on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @12:18AM (#2090995)
That's nothing! When I were a lad, we ran our startup from Arrowtown in the heart of New Zealand's Southern Alps - and we still do!

www.schoolconferences.com

Re:We're not based in the valley. by norbu09 on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @12:27AM (#2091013)
ok, you won, Wellington is clearly less remote than Arrowtown. iWantMyName is based in NZ and we love it. I see the valley not as a requirement to be a successful startup "in the US".
Re:We're not based in the valley. by jcr on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @01:16AM (#2091129)
Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FatHLHG2uGY
Re:We're not based in the valley. by StavrosK on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @07:54AM (#2091747)
Nothing's a requirement, they just raise your chances of success.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by veb on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @02:33AM (#2091247)
Pfffft. Dunedin is where it's at!
Re:We're not based in the valley. by StavrosK on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @07:49AM (#2091734)
Yeah, but it's Alaska. Walk a mile and you cross two time zones.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by jnovek on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:57PM (#2090671)
OK, you guys both win.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by zephjc on Monday January 10, 2011 @06:23PM (#2090119)
"The weather is awesome! We’ve got a humid subtropical climate."

These two sentences seem contradictory to me.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by jeremymims on Monday January 10, 2011 @06:39PM (#2090157)
In North America it probably doesn't mean what you think:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humid_subtropical_climate

Re:We're not based in the valley. by ryanwaggoner on Monday January 10, 2011 @06:54PM (#2090204)
No, it means exactly what you think. Summer in Texas is miserable.

Highs exceed 90 °F (32.2 °C) on 109 days per year, and 100 °F (37.8 °C) on 12.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin,_Texas

Re:We're not based in the valley. by jnovek on Monday January 10, 2011 @06:59PM (#2090215)
It depends on what you like. I spent my entire life until I was 27 in the frigidity of Northern Minnesota. After that, I rather enjoy the fact that nearly every day in Austin is a t-shirt day.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by ryanwaggoner on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:02PM (#2090223)
True, but I suspect the average person wouldn't describe a humid day at 95 °F as "awesome weather".
Re:We're not based in the valley. by juiceandjuice on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:29PM (#2090302)
Austin isn't Houston, it's not that humid.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by ryanwaggoner on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:31PM (#2090306)
Re:We're not based in the valley. by grayrest on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:32PM (#2090310)
If you're coding, you're in the air conditioning when it's 95°F and out in the mornings/evenings. I spent 9 months in Austin starting in February and it's not that bad. I grew up in Atlanta (85-95°F and 80% humidity) and summertime was about the same but the winter was nicer.

I still miss the food. I can get the quality here in NYC in a restaurant near the barrio but not the prices.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by jarek on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:28PM (#2090483)
Citing air conditioning doesn't mesh very well with describing the weather as awesome. Lows of >70 with humidity mean you're going to need some AC help sleeping, too.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by zephjc on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:25PM (#2090285)
Compared to, say, Santa Cruz (just over the hill from the Silicon Valley) with yearly average ranges from 39-60 (Jan), to 52-76 (Aug), with most of the days from the spring thru fall in the high 60s, low 70s, which I personally think is ideal.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by davidw on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @03:49AM (#2091387)
That means 3 months of "a bit too hot" (although 90ies isn't too bad), and 9 months of "pretty good". Someplace like Oregon, where I grew up, has 2/3 months of beautiful summer weather, and 9 months of mostly crappy weather.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by jeremymims on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:27PM (#2090598)
Or, for us northern folks that the winters are nice and mild. I guess it depends where you're coming from. Point taken.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by mindcrime on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:58PM (#2090552)
These two sentences seem contradictory to me.

They don't sound remotely contradictory to me. Heat and humidity FTW, as far as I'm concerned. Cold weather bites. :-(

Re:We're not based in the valley. by staunch on Monday January 10, 2011 @06:49PM (#2090186)
No one ever claims it's impossible to be successful outside of The Valley. All anyone ever says, at most, is that all things considered it's an advantage.

It's a completely false controversy, and always has been.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by catshirt on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:24PM (#2090281)
I think the true controversy actually lies in how many of those advantages are even still advantages, or how much longer they will be.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by dr_ on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:20PM (#2090461)
The NYC technorati feel that with enough investments it will one day usurp the Valley as the technology hub of the world.

I'm pretty certain that will NOT happen and it will be more widespread. In fact, places like Austin with it's climate, the young people it attracts, atmosphere and relatively reasonable prices have a greater chance of becoming a global tech hub than NYC does. NYC has way too many other things going on to be heavily focused on tech.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by egometry on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @01:20AM (#2091141)
I moved from Austin to the Valley three years ago.

When I came here, I missed Austin a lot. Now, although I know I'll move back there some day, I'm going to miss the Tech Culture of the valley.

Austin's missing populated hackerspaces like the Hacker Dojo and Noisebridge, and generally lacks technology meetups and hacker parties. The tech-based people are there, but there's not much of a cohesive culture yet. (This is a solvable problem!)

Of course, Silicon Valley is missing out on the Alamo Drafthouse... which is one of the best reasons to live in Austin.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by bretthoerner on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:02PM (#2090558)
Do you have office space in Austin, or are you really in Pflugerville? Your contact page only mentions College Station and Pflugerville.

Anyway, this was news to me - are there any other YC companies here in Austin? I thought I (and I'm just an employee of one) was alone. We should have beers. :)

Re:We're not based in the valley. by arohner on Monday January 10, 2011 @10:46PM (#2090777)
Me too. I'm the founder of a company in Austin that interviewed for YC this winter, but got rejected.

If anyone reading this wants to meet up in Austin, my email's in my profile.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by lloydarmbrust on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @04:26PM (#2093582)
Okay Okay, Austin area. The plan is to move downtown once we've figured out how big of a place we need--right now we're growing at 200% every three months so we need that to level out first as everyone wants a five year lease.

Feel free to hit me up ([email protected]) or stop by our office in Pflugerville.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by aothman on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:49PM (#2090369)
Why Austin (and not New York or Boston)? What was it like doing YC and then not staying in SV? Was there any disagreement among the founders or investors about moving away from the valley?
Re:We're not based in the valley. by lloydarmbrust on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:02PM (#2090413)
Not really. The investors like it because we save a bunch of money. And the founders are both from the Midwest so we like it. Actually, we're a Texas-based company (maybe the only YC company that's not a DE corporation) and have always planned to have this be our base of operations.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by jpcx01 on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:37PM (#2090327)
Also, no state income tax!

Is living in california worth over 10k a year? (assuming you have a reasonable salary)

Re:We're not based in the valley. by billpaetzke on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:41PM (#2090518)
If you're a business owner or remote freelancer, it may net you more money to be headquartered in a no-income-tax state (e.g. Texas, Florida, Nevada, Washington). This is assuming you're charging similar prices as your competitors based in SF/SV or NYC.

If you're a single employee, your best bet is to live somewhere with high salaries (California or New York) and be frugal with your expenses.

If you're an employee that's married and/or have kids, I don't know. I don't have that experience yet. Best to ask someone who does.

--> BUT income tax is just one of many state taxes. For an aggregate tax %, see The Tax Foundation's report on State "Tax Burdens." Scroll down in the doc to 2008. http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/336.html

Here's some of the state tax burdens:

* Nevada: 6.6%

* Florida: 7.4%

* Texas: 8.4%

* Washington: 8.9%

* Oregon: 9.4%

* Massachusetts: 9.5%

* California: 10.5%

* New York: 11.7%

Re:We're not based in the valley. by adamsmith on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:30PM (#2090606)
Not to mention 0% short and long term capital gains. That's another 10% over California, and it's where it counts.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by kemiller on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:46PM (#2090359)
The salaries are proportionately higher.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by a5seo on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @01:37AM (#2091174)
Not really. I've lived in both and the salaries are maybe 20-25% lower in Austin, but everything else is much cheaper for more value. Especially when you're paying for grown up stuff like 3-4 bedroom homes in safe neighborhoods, day care/nannies, etc. That stuff is off the charts expensive in the Valley. And your tax bracket is higher along with your salary.

I can't imagine being an entrepreneur in the Valley with kids without at LEAST a few million in cash. In Austin you only need 1. :)

Re:We're not based in the valley. by kemiller on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @11:46AM (#2092464)
I wasn't accounting for cost of living, only taxes.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by muzz on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:33PM (#2090497)
Property tax is 3%/yr, re-assessed annually. Own a 300k house and you will pay 9k/yr in property tax, even if you don't make 100k.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by natrius on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:14PM (#2090569)
If you live in Austin, your tax rate is around 2.3%. 3% is high for anywhere in Texas, I think.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by seltzered on Monday January 10, 2011 @11:49PM (#2090927)
I'm in austin, but I keep wishing that I lived in Silicon Valley or PNW - namely due to:

* greater ability to commute by bicycle/train/public transit. Austin's bicycle scene is growing, but it's still fairly impractical due to the lack of public transit infrastructure.

* potential for more outdoor trips - hiking around austin is fun when there's water around, but we easily have drought years too which aren't as fun. Plus, I'd think planning a ski or surfing trip is much easier out west than here. Many of my valley friends afford to share a house in tahoe during the winter.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by jnovek on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @12:14AM (#2090981)
On the downside, I think you'll be disappointed with the bicycling situation in SF. Yes there are bike lanes, but it seems like automobile drivers are hellbent on murdering all bicyclists.

On the upside, if you like the outdoors, there are very few places in the U.S. that are more beautiful than northern California. (I think that Austin is the best place to run my company, but everywhere had tradeoffs.)

Re:We're not based in the valley. by donaldc on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @06:58AM (#2091669)
Is living in california worth over 10k a year? (assuming you have a reasonable salary)

Yes. Of course, YMMV.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by pclark on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:41PM (#2090341)
You pay no income tax in Texas? Really?!
Re:We're not based in the valley. by lloydarmbrust on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:45PM (#2090355)
Yes really. No state income tax.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by cookiecaper on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:29PM (#2090484)
How are the other taxes? I know that some Oregonians I know often talk about how no-sales-tax Oregon has very high property tax to compensate.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by kscaldef on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @01:23AM (#2091150)
Property taxes in Oregon are a little funny. It depends a lot on where your house is located and when it was built. I pay about 0.6% of current market value annually. I have friends that pay 2%.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by bretthoerner on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:51PM (#2090539)
8.25% sales tax in Texas (8.25% in CA, 8.875% in NYC).
Re:We're not based in the valley. by anamax on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @01:12AM (#2091118)
CA's sales tax is county/city dependent, starting from a 8.25% base. It's 9.25% in San Jose, 9.5% somewhere nearby, closer to 9.75% in SF, and less than 9% some places.

see http://www.boe.ca.gov/sutax/pam71.htm .

Re:We're not based in the valley. by StavrosK on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:37PM (#2090626)
Do you pay national income tax or something? I find it hard to believe that you get to keep 100% of the money you make.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by bretthoerner on Monday January 10, 2011 @09:42PM (#2090644)
Yes, you can't avoid federal taxes. You just don't have an additional ~10% on top of that from the state.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by stevenbedrick on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @12:51AM (#2091073)
Besides federal income tax (as noted by another commenter), there's local sales tax, state property tax, and who knows what-all else. Income tax is sometimes one piece of a state's tax system, but it's never the only piece.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by secret on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:47PM (#2090362)
Florida either, but the humidity is even worse!
Re:We're not based in the valley. by lloydarmbrust on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:05PM (#2090421)
NV too.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by bane on Monday January 10, 2011 @11:21PM (#2090860)
The model of SV has proven to be one to emulate. It's only a matter of time before other locals with that crucial mix of money and good schools get some version of it.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by niravshah on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @03:10AM (#2091323)
This is the second link from seeinginteractive.com in as many days that didn't say much of anything other than 'work for us'. I wonder how much fake controversy they are going to keep throwing at HN in order to recruit.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by jeremymims on Tuesday January 11, 2011 @07:28AM (#2091700)
This was written as a clarification since so many people who applied assumed we were in the Bay Area or Silicon Valley.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by Skywing on Monday January 10, 2011 @06:48PM (#2090182)
Congratulations. I've been looking at moving to Austin, recently. I'm from Dallas, so I'm familiar with the area and it's a great one.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by CoachRufus87 on Monday January 10, 2011 @07:37PM (#2090326)
I moved down to Austin (for school @ UT) from Arlington about 5 years ago and haven't left since :)
Re:We're not based in the valley. by hkarthik on Monday January 10, 2011 @10:35PM (#2090756)
Glad to see you guys coming back to Texas. We definitely need a larger startup community out here.
Re:We're not based in the valley. by fretlessjazz on Monday January 10, 2011 @08:13PM (#2090437)
Austin startup here as well. I actually moved from San Francisco to Austin to launch http://www.ideaffect.com.

Also, hey Jason! Still owe you a beer sometime.

Re:We're not based in the valley. by hkarthik on Monday January 10, 2011 @10:33PM (#2090751)
That's awesome, I was going to go with UserVoice for my feedback widget, but I'm gonna have to support a fellow Texas startup and go with you guys now. I'm based in Dallas myself.