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Re:A Message about iOS Security by olliej on Friday September 06, 2019 @01:59PM (#20898026)
I feel part of this is Google published a very large article about the iOS vulnerabilities, but did not do the same for the Android and Windows attacks that were also reported - just not by Google.

Given Google has already gone down the "use our security posts to discuss competitors bugs but not our own", it seems entirely reasonable for other companies to start treating the PZ blog as a marketing tool.

Re:A Message about iOS Security by saagarjha on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:01PM (#20898042)
> Given Google has already gone down the "use our security posts to discuss competitors bugs but not our own"

Project Zero finds and publishes bugs for most major platforms. Just look through their archives: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com

Re:A Message about iOS Security by simonh on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:04PM (#20898071)
How many Google bugs have received the same volume of exposition as this Apple bug?
Re:A Message about iOS Security by sbuk on Saturday September 07, 2019 @04:00AM (#20902458)
Now see if any of those were reported in the mass media. Not The Verge. Not Vice. No tech publications. Front page of BBC news, The Washington Post, NY Times, etc.
Re:A Message about iOS Security by mav3rick on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:43AM (#20904458)
That is not PZs problem.
Re:A Message about iOS Security by sbuk on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:58PM (#20908102)
The OP was using examples from PZ as a rebuttal to the GP asking if any Google products getting widespread coverage. The provided links are completely and utterly irrelevant. Your average commuter was reading about how terribly insecure iOS is based on PZs report being sensationalised in the media at large. The “tech” journalists write based on these articles, therefore PZ need to lay out the all the facts.
Re:A Message about iOS Security by mav3rick on Sunday September 08, 2019 @05:09AM (#20909407)
PZ posts on it's blog. What gets picked up by other media as news is not their mandate.
Re:A Message about iOS Security by wintercharm on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:32PM (#20906660)
It is when they submitted the Apple releases to all these venues the day Apple's keynote invites dropped.
Re:A Message about iOS Security by mav3rick on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:03PM (#20907568)
Make up stories to prove your point.
Re:A Message about iOS Security by joshuamorton on Friday September 06, 2019 @04:22PM (#20899544)
Independent security researchers are comparing this to the "Aurora" hack of Google[1].

While that was undoubtedly of a larger scope, it was also the event that led to the creation of P0, so it would make sense that this gets more exposure than your average bug report. Most security bugs aren't multi-exploit zero-day chains found in the wild being currently used to oppress people by a state actor.

[1]: https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1170064458003054594

Re:A Message about iOS Security by PeCaN on Friday September 06, 2019 @04:12PM (#20899455)
To be fair, this is a highly unusual situation, with long chains of interesting and complex vulnerabilities and multiple zero-days against probably the most scrutinized consumer device currently.

Most Google bugs are… much less interesting.

Re:A Message about iOS Security by olliej on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:04PM (#20898068)
Yet this very large post detailed only the iOS vulnerabilities in the "large scale untargeted attack" that also had android and windows vulnerabilities.

It does not take a genius to read that article and realize that the omission of the other targeted platforms was intentional.

Re:A Message about iOS Security by saagarjha on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:08PM (#20898106)
They dropped five 0-day web chains against a platform where this was largely unheard of. I think this is significant enough for a blog post. FYI, Project Zero mentions when other bugs they find were found being exploited: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/search?q=in+the+wild
Re:A Message about iOS Security by 013a on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:33PM (#20898406)
Frankly, it does feel like they publish more heavily on non-Google products. Which isn't to say that they don't publish many articles on Android and Chrome and other core Google things, but just look down that list and you'll see many many more iOS/Windows articles than Google ones.

You can interpret this many ways. Maybe they're casually discouraged from publicly talking about threats against Google software. Maybe competitors' software is just more vulnerable. Maybe the team shifts focuses every once in a while, and in 2019 they've just been on a real Apple/Microsoft kick. I don't know.

My general position is: Google The Company has done nothing at all to deserve the public's trust and good intentions, and I don't see why that position shouldn't extend to the Project Zero team. Its a garbage company, and the publications from the very talented and dedicated people on that team may be better interpreted in a more unbiased environment where we don't have to constantly be raising questions like "are they unfairly focusing on competitors products" or "are they giving internal teams the same time to remediate that they give competitors"?

Re:A Message about iOS Security by mav3rick on Friday September 06, 2019 @04:37PM (#20899653)
It's a "garbage company". Yeah right. Go outside your bubble and travel a little. See how many peoples lives have changed due to Google.
Re:A Message about iOS Security by mav3rick on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:28PM (#20898353)
PZ has regularly posted against its own (Google) bugs.