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Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by 70jS8h5L on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:45AM (#20896091)
Turing's papers on the subject formed part of the research for my dissertation project, which culminated in a Matlab simulation of the skin patterns he described with inhibitors/activators.

I recently converted it to JS and also Ruby, as an excuse for a few coding exercises. It's still a work in progress, but can be found here:

https://github.com/rai-hi/rails-skin-patterning

Demo here:

https://skin-simulator.herokuapp.com/

Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by imglorp on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:23PM (#20897007)
Since you're in the field, maybe I could ask about your impression of Wolfram's NKS? As a layperson, I understand it's a generalization of many classes of such patterns.

https://www.wolframscience.com

Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by 70jS8h5L on Saturday September 07, 2019 @12:11PM (#20904677)
Actually, the dissertation project was my only experience with the field. Although I read some of NKS at the time, it's a distant memory and so I wouldn't be able to say!
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by kmnt on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:48PM (#20901288)
heres a webgl turing sim http://ktfh.github.io/gray-scott/
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by 70jS8h5L on Saturday September 07, 2019 @12:12PM (#20904685)
Very nice, thanks for the link. Certainly a more exciting demo!
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by Angostura on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:50AM (#20895602)
In the late 90s I chatted with Brian Goodwin who was about to write this book How the Leopard Changed Its Spots https://press.princeton.edu/titles/7043.html

Really interesting guy and the book covers a whole host of areas where self-organising systems shape organisms without necessarily much genetic intervention

Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by AllegedAlec on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:14AM (#20895311)
Cool. It's fun to see how Turing patterns are everywhere in biology. However, as Turing himself said (allegedly): 'Well the stripes are easy, but what about the horse part?'
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by anigbrowl on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:29PM (#20901409)
Having developed an amateur interest in cell biology over the last few years, the single most interesting thing I've learned is that Interglobulin-M cells cells just happen to have same basic morphology as the kind of animals that they come from.
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by ColanR on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:44PM (#20901668)
I have no idea what that means, but I'm curious to know. Can you point to anything I could read?
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by anigbrowl on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:12PM (#20907888)
I'm so sorry, I should have written immunoglobulin-M and didn't notice my mistake. I don't feel qualified to recommend a text, I just follow references from here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunoglobulin_M

Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by ColanR on Monday September 09, 2019 @01:30PM (#20920267)
Thanks. :) That's what I found when I searched, but the spelling difference threw me off.
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by jbay808 on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:19PM (#20896977)
You can watch acapellascience answer this question to the tune of 'Despacito'!

https://youtu.be/ydqReeTV_vk

Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by AllegedAlec on Friday September 06, 2019 @01:57PM (#20897996)
That explains what the central dogma is, but not how specific patterns of gene expression lead to a horse. That's something that's still quite a mystery. Hell, even after a lot of work, we don't still entirely know how even something as simple as Drosophila does its segmentation.
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by anigbrowl on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:26PM (#20901402)
I feel like this pattern is a great example of how mathematicians, scientists, and technologists should focus their attentions on things that are economical and 'good enough' rather than fetishizishing ever-increasing levels of precision.

While, say, calculating fundamental constants to the nth degree of precision is fun and intellectually satisfying in many respect, the marginal utility of each additional digit of precision asymptotically approaches zero so it's really a self-indulgent luxury. But this fetishizing of precision also has drawbacks; it misdirects resources and effort into improvements whose benefits fall far short of the costs.

You wouldn't use a laser pointer to explore a room. Of course you could; but mapping a topological space using LIDAR is only possible because we have computers to do the vast amount of number crunching required, and it's only very recently that we've gone from very sparse representations to ones of sufficiently high resolution to give us representations that are immediately recognizable as familiar spaces.

I will take fast proximity over slow exactitude any day of the week; I want models that get me close enough with very few parameters rather than more perfect ones that require a thick book's worth of specifications to articulate.

Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by crawfordcomeaux on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:17PM (#20898222)
This story makes me wonder when we're going to change the culture of science so as to minimize the time it takes for something to be taken seriously.
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by ColanR on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:46PM (#20901671)
Unfortunately, this is more a generalized problem of human disbelief in the unlikely than anything specific to science. We can't really say, 'scientists now have to be more receptive to weird ideas'.
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by anigbrowl on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:30PM (#20901412)
Alas that I have but one upvote to give.
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by dr_dshiv on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:07PM (#20898100)
And, maybe, explaining the geometrical hallucinations from psychedelics and 10hz flicker: https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-...
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by parentheses on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:38AM (#20896018)
This pattern of inhibitor/activator is one that can be used in social sciences as well.

This also fits well with how codebases are managed: linting, style, patterns, etc.

Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by swamp40 on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:42AM (#20896050)
The picture of the model vs real shark denticles isn't very compelling to me. Maybe they just chose a poor example?
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by ptah on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:34AM (#20895464)
can this be used in generating textures for 3d models
Re:Ancient Turing Pattern Builds Feathers, Hair and Now Shar... by lalos on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:17AM (#20895824)
It's one way of doing it, yes. See this project that does it https://github.com/gollygang/ready