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Re:Sites with dumb password rules by transreal on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:03AM (#20893431)
I've been getting pretty annoyed by the "Security Questions" some sites have you setup.

A client I work with gave me a vendor account, with a preset list of security questions I had to answer. One was 'What was the color of your first car?'. I typed in 'Red', and got an error that the entry needed to be at least 4 characters long.

Re:Sites with dumb password rules by julianwachholz on Friday September 06, 2019 @03:26AM (#20893741)
The name of my childhood pet was "FVrE9msW9DLBAx". Makes for fun conversations on the phone.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by joshuaissac on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:16AM (#20894193)
It is better to pick names with actual words. An attacker can otherwise say that the answer is just a bunch of random characters, and there is a risk that a naïve customer support representative may accept it.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by wool_gather on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:07PM (#20896868)
In order to deploy this successfully, the attacker would have to know that you used a random string...how would they know this without having access to the string itself?
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by coryfklein on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:54PM (#20897327)
Not necessarily - they're given multiple "tries" so they can just pick "a bunch of random letters" as one of their first few choices in hopes that they guessed correctly.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by softawre on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:27AM (#20895910)
Ugh...
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by pvorb on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:02AM (#20894132)
Mine was "78 nails and 7 Greek philosophers", which works a little better on the phone. ;-)
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by peterwwillis on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:21PM (#20896990)
That's really the best use for security questions: have fun with customer support.

"Pet's name?"

"ICUP."

"Can you ........ Oh."

Re:Sites with dumb password rules by usr1106 on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:42AM (#20893570)
Another nasty experience I had recently: On an account I hadn't used for ages and for unexplicable reasons was not covered by my pw manager they did not present me the security question for password reset. Instead they gave me the whole list and said answer the security question you had chosen at registration. Of course I didn't remember, the list had no option I would always pick.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by Strom on Friday September 06, 2019 @06:29AM (#20894457)
I've ran into this a few times and so now I always store the question in my password manager too.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by toper-centage on Friday September 06, 2019 @03:25AM (#20893734)
That actually makes it slightly more acceptable to use security questions I guess.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by VMG on Friday September 06, 2019 @03:32AM (#20893758)
Normal users will probably try different question-answer combinations until they get a hit, submitting a lot of personal data in the process
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by xioxox on Friday September 06, 2019 @07:23AM (#20894659)
Yes - Apple are one of the worst. I truthfully could not answer most of their questions, some of which seemed very US-centric. For example, I've never owned my car and do I really have a favourite colour?
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by yek on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:31PM (#20900090)
Yup this happened to me. Apparently 10 is not a valid response to "What is the street number of the house you grew up in?". It needed to be at least 3 characters for some reason.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by pvorb on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:39PM (#20900159)
ten
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by alanbernstein on Friday September 06, 2019 @06:12PM (#20900354)
What bugs me about security questions is when they give you questions that have subjective or time-varying answers. "What's your favorite X" is a terrible security question for me, I am not likely to remember an answer I chose 2-3 years ago
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by snegu on Friday September 06, 2019 @08:31PM (#20901036)
A government site I have to use for work asks "If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?"
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by Cogito on Sunday September 08, 2019 @08:09PM (#20914189)
A Ms. Tree!
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by teeray on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:46AM (#20903736)
United is the worst offender with security questions. Not only are the questions preset, but the answers are a dropdown too! There’s also no way to input a “custom answer,” so you’re stuck with absurdly low entropy “security questions.”
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by bityard on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:41AM (#20896627)
As far as my credit card company knows, the name of my kindergarten teacher is Danny DeVito and I met my wife in the upper atmosphere of Venus.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by originalbryan2 on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:46PM (#20897244)
Haha, that's terrible.

I get annoyed by the security questions in a different way. If they are all based on "firsts" such as first school, first address, first friend, etc, I'm screwed. I moved 23 times growing up and went to 9 different schools. I have no idea what my "first" things were.

Re:Sites with dumb password rules by ianlevesque on Friday September 06, 2019 @07:22AM (#20894654)
I have a credit card that requires you to answer a security question just to make a payment, with an existing linked account. I can't fathom what scenario they think they are protecting against here.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by wool_gather on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:11PM (#20896909)
Perhaps they're protecting themselves against you making an on time payment and not accruing any interest. ;)
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by Ayesh on Friday September 06, 2019 @08:11AM (#20894916)
My former bank sends an SMS OTP every time I make a transaction. Not TOTP support. If it's the same security question, password managers can easily fill it out, no?

This SMS annoyance is a major reason why I left them.

Re:Sites with dumb password rules by yreg on Friday September 06, 2019 @06:16AM (#20894417)
Maybe they expected you to label it as a Google Pixel color: e.g. `really red`.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by mandelbrotwurst on Friday September 06, 2019 @03:50AM (#20893829)
Yeah, I've seen a similar restriction on mother's maiden name =/
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by sbarre on Friday September 06, 2019 @07:24AM (#20894660)
My mother (and many many women in this modern world) _goes by her maiden name_ so it's not exactly a secret.

I always (politely) point this out when I'm dealing with a human at an institution who asks me for this information as part of the security process.

Re:Sites with dumb password rules by glitcher on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:06AM (#20896282)
Even when a woman does change her last name after marriage, believing that her maiden name is somehow secret information in this day and age seems about as secure as "what street did you grow up on?", or "what was your high school mascot?". The root of the problem is believing that security questions are a good practice to begin with.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by csunbird on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @08:13AM (#21004481)
On top of that we are living in the era of social media, where these type of information are no longer hard to find.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by CathedralBorrow on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:33AM (#20895961)
Yep, plus all the people who don't live in a culture where "maiden name" implies anything.
Re:Sites with dumb password rules by mandelbrotwurst on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:46AM (#20908675)
Good point.