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Re:Is Perl 6 Being Renamed? by wwweston on Thursday August 29, 2019 @02:36PM (#20832341)
> if you insist on a language that is Perl-like but also modern

Here's your perennial reminder that the word "modern" is a thought smell.

> it's a language with a small ecosystem that doesn't seem to provide any groundbreaking advantage compared to existing languages

I'd almost prefer this conception went uncorrected, because Perl6 is not just Ruby or Python in different clothes, and it's not just Perl5 with nicer aesthetics, and I don't mind enjoying niches or competitive advantages.

Re:Is Perl 6 Being Renamed? by andrewflnr on Thursday August 29, 2019 @03:21PM (#20832709)
> "modern" is a thought smell

Sometimes it's a thought smell, but sometimes it's shorthand for "has learned the lessons of recent history", which is indeed valuable.

Re:Is Perl 6 Being Renamed? by wwweston on Thursday August 29, 2019 @03:39PM (#20832868)
"Code smell" isn't an automatic "something is definitely wrong," it's an indication that maybe something is wrong.

By analogy, "modern" might indeed sometimes mean "has learned the lessons of recent history."

One can even sometimes test this by asking people what they mean by "modern."

My experience is that they usually don't know, or have a conception uncomfortably close to "it was released more recently" or "it's more like what everybody does right now," which are both certainly worth observing... but stopping there is where the thinking becomes distinctly less so.

Re:Is Perl 6 Being Renamed? by shawnz on Thursday August 29, 2019 @06:52PM (#20834493)
The trouble is when it's shorthand for "forgotten the lessons of ancient history"
Re:Is Perl 6 Being Renamed? by singingfish on Friday August 30, 2019 @07:03AM (#20837446)
or worse, forgotten the lessons of recent history
Re:Is Perl 6 Being Renamed? by smelendez on Thursday August 29, 2019 @03:44PM (#20832910)
Sorry, what is a "thought smell?"

Not familiar with the term and can't find it elsewhere.

Re:Is Perl 6 Being Renamed? by JTbane on Thursday August 29, 2019 @04:35PM (#20833407)
It's an idiom.

"this smells off" -> nonspecific indication that something might be wrong "code smell" -> nonspecific indication that something might be wrong with software code "thought smell" -> nonspecific indication that something might be wrong with a way of thinking

Re:Is Perl 6 Being Renamed? by bryanrasmussen on Thursday August 29, 2019 @08:36PM (#20834999)
There are some words used for pejorative purposes that I think the language can do without but I think wanting to get rid of modern (and hence the concepts it embodies) seems more an indicator of something wrong than just using it.