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Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by adonnjohn on Monday August 26, 2019 @11:42PM (#20806161)
This of course begs the question: which cheeses act as the most efficient substrates, and why?

I wonder if there's any organic materials that would work even better.

Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by willis936 on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @07:04AM (#20808236)
Empirically, it boils down permittivity and conductance of the material. I am not familiar with the physical factors that influence that. For real applications there are other important factors too though. If your substrate gets moldy in a week then it would be hard to package and sell it to a customer.
Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by wyldfire on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:24AM (#20809865)
> If your substrate gets moldy in a week then it would be hard to package and sell it to a customer.

So you're saying I should be selling a substrate service subscription? I like it! MRR here I come!

Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by peterwwillis on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:41AM (#20810037)
> If your substrate gets moldy in a week then it would be hard to package and sell it to a customer.

Clearly you've not worked for Cisco...

Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by cardiffspaceman on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:32PM (#20813589)
Sysco?

(Only for the humor I have no idea what Sysco's reputation in food service is)

Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by mannykannot on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @08:49AM (#20808973)
Would those properties also relate to how well / fast the food can be cooked in a microwave oven?
Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by willis936 on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @09:25AM (#20809298)
Certainly. Those parameters and the geometry they're in can be distilled into impedance (see: S-parameters). The larger the difference in impedance, the less power gets through (see: return loss). For microwave ovens you only really care about material properties at 2.4 GHz, since that is where the power is. I'm under the impression this was chosen because water has a resonance at this frequency, and absorbs a lot of power.
Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by b3orn on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:49AM (#20807193)
I'd suggest a cheese with as little holes as possible, maybe Gouda, Cheddar or Parmigiano.
Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by IndrekR on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @05:01AM (#20807545)
> I wonder if there's any organic materials that would work even better.

PCBs are using mostly organic resin. Mechanical constraints limit many otherwise excellent dielectrics.

Also the cheese seems to have quite high loss tangent here. A quick test to this theory at 2.4 GHz involves a microwave oven, thermometer, pieces of RF laminate and dry cheese.

Re:28Gbps Microstrip with Pepper Jack Cheese as Substrate (2... by jacknews on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:43AM (#20806642)
Indeed that "sandwich cheese" looks not dissimilar to PCB anyway.