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Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by michaelmrose on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @02:37PM (#20760133)
It is disenfranchisement. It can cost almost a hundred dollars just for the IDs to be issued some places. If you have lost some identity documents you may need to request records from other places to substantiate name changes. That is to say marriage licenses and divorce decrees. Gathering this additional documentation may require another hundred bucks easy.

The common reply to this is that you need these documents anyway to work, to drive etc. This is true but ignores all the peripheral people you don't see. People whose roles in their family are support or who themselves are in need of support because of illness. Not all of them drive or work and they are citizens too.

It seems to me that the easier solution is to make public records free. Let the taxes you already pay serve to pay the salary of the peon at the printer. Then the people clamoring for us to check ID's to keep the "illegals" from voting can be happy and those people can be enfranchised.

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Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by tomhoward on Thursday August 22, 2019 @12:08PM (#20769590)
That list seems false in at least one case.

You don't need to show ID to vote at a polling place in Australia. And you don't need ID to enrol to vote.

Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by w0de on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @03:45PM (#20760900)
You're missing the point about IDs being incredibly easy to obtain. They are not in the US. Additionally, there's a long history of using voting requirements to disenfranchise voters.

I can't comment on the countries in the picture you've linked. I'll guess that most or all of them make it both easy and required to have a national ID card. That is not the case in the United States.

Consider a working class non-driver who has never travelled overseas. What is their ID?

Would you propose a new state or federal ID card? Great. How likely is it that the state or federal government will produce a system for issuing these that is easy to access, widely available, free, quick to issue IDs, etc? How likely do you think it is that politicians will attempt to modify the system for issuing these IDs so that their opponents' voters will find it more challenging to receive them?

If your answer is "likely" and "unlikely" respectively, you are naive to the history of voter disenfranchisement and vote-system-gaming in the United States. Much of it is based on race.

Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by EvilTerran on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @03:47PM (#20760917)
That list is wrong. I'm in the UK, we don't need ID to register or vote here.
Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by SlowRobotAhead on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @04:08PM (#20761143)
That's not exactly correct.

ID is required in some places like Northern Ireland. Iirc, the UK poll card isn't 'typically' or ID required in England, Whales, Scottland)

But as of 2018 that's changing when some districts required ID for the first time. Although last I heard, laws suits on that were still going on.

Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by EvilTerran on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @04:22PM (#20761274)
Very well. In the vast majority of the UK, you don't need ID. That checkmark on your list remains misleading at best.
Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by michaelmrose on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @03:29PM (#20760726)
What is this supposed to prove?
Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by cryptoz on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @05:35PM (#20762091)
Your post is a logical fallacy - it assumes that other countries have the same history, laws, political structure and modern problems as the US does, which is a verifiably false assumption. Your list is also flat out wrong. Voters in Canada are not required to have ID.

Your list is also without sources and presenting an oversimplification of laws to the point of being presented in bad faith, with intentional misrepresentation of the original data. Your list is a lie of checkmarks, intended for propaganda and not to inform the reader.

Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by SlowRobotAhead on Thursday August 22, 2019 @12:32AM (#20764649)
I didn’t say a single one of those things. You just made some big assumptions.

Tell me more about Canada, this implies you may be mistaken. https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&do...

Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by cryptoz on Thursday August 22, 2019 @12:53AM (#20764750)
I don't understand what you're saying at all. From your link, Option 3:

> Option 3: If you don't have ID

lays it out pretty clearly:

> You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.

No ID needed, anywhere in Canada, ever, to vote. Period.

And I made no assumptions whatsoever in my post. It is your graphic that is full of false assumptions.

Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by SlowRobotAhead on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:25AM (#20768389)
That person needs ID to be assigned to their polling station to vouch for you. You’re being very stubborn.

Canada very effectively requires ID to vote, sorry that offends you.

Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by dang on Thursday August 22, 2019 @06:06PM (#20772831)
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN, and please don't use HN primarily for political battle. We ban accounts that do those things.

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Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by cryptoz on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:59AM (#20769515)
I really, really don't understand. Where did you get this information?? It is false - it is lies.

> That person needs ID to be assigned to their polling station to vouch for you.

That is absolutely not true. The site says,

> The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions).

Nothing about ID. Just "prove their identity and address", which does not require ID.

> Canada very effectively requires ID to vote, sorry that offends you.

This is false. I am not offended by facts, or by your lies.

Canada does not require ID to vote. You are spreading lies by continuing to state that it does.

Have you ever lived there? Do you know anything about Canada from experience? You are lying and citing false information to claim falsehoods that are extremely dangerous.

Canada does not require ID to vote. Period.

Re:16M Americans will vote on hackable paperless machines by dang on Thursday August 22, 2019 @06:06PM (#20772834)
Please don't start posting like this again. We don't want to have to ban you again.

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