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Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by forgotmypw3 on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:09AM (#20747807)
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor.

If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times.

If you find a tick that's already been on you long enough to cause a red irritation spot, the clock is ticking.

Any time spent on finding a doctor to see, waiting for test results, seeing if symptoms develop, etc. is wasted time.

The sooner you make your body an unfriendly environment to the bacteria, the less time they have to grow and spread.

This means not only antibiotics, but also not eating anything calorie dense, eating fresh garlic and other natural antibacterials, and getting a lot of sleep, when your immune system works best. If you are a weed smoker and it makes you crave food, it may help to take a tolerance break. Coffee will not help you in this situation.

This is a protocol I've learned about from several people for whom antibiotics do not work. I think there's a book about it.

Doctors have told me that a 3-day course is enough to prevent a system-wide infection if you catch it early. Once an infection settles in, a longer course is needed, typically 14 days, which will do major damage to your biome.

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by driverdan on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @08:33PM (#20753657)
> If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times.

No, you should not be treating yourself with antibiotics. That may help contribute to antibiotic resistance. Visit a doctor and get proper course.

> This is a protocol I've learned about from several people for whom antibiotics do not work.

That's not a thing.

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by wefarrell on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @02:00PM (#20749919)
I was lucky enough to have been on antibiotics when I was bit by multiple deer ticks and contracted Lyme. Zero symptoms whatsoever.

My sister and a handful of close friends have been temporarily paralyzed to varying degrees because of it.

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by uniformlyrandom on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:23AM (#20747971)
> If you live in a lyme-tick area

So, continental US, excluding maybe Nevada and New Mexico (because desert).

> you should have antibiotics on hand at all times.

So, here is a problem: in US, antibiotics are prescription-only. And no doctor would prescribe antibiotics preventively. They will prescribe antibiotics after a tick bite, but you need an office visit (or online office visit). The only way to get antibiotics preventively is to stash some after a tick bite, or simulate symptoms over a video call.

TL/DR: if you are in US, you're fucked.

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by rednerrus on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @12:07PM (#20748536)
Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by eigenloss on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @12:14PM (#20748641)
Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by tntniceman on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @12:11PM (#20748595)
The desert certainly doesn't stop the suckers, speaking as a New Mexico resident. Ticks abound, Lyme equally so.
Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by 0xffff2 on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @01:10PM (#20749340)
Really? The CDC [0] shows a total of 4 cases of Lyme in NM from 2012-2017. Looking at that map, it appears to me that the desert does seem to stop the suckers.

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/maps.html

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by evandev on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @03:13PM (#20750826)
Not to mention:

> Each dot represents one case of Lyme disease and is placed randomly in the patient’s county of residence. The presence of a dot in a state does not necessarily mean that Lyme disease was acquired in that state. People travel between states, and the place of residence is sometimes different from the place where the patient became infected.

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by planteen on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:37PM (#20752925)
95% of cases come from 14 states, none of which are western. Mountain and Pacific (WA, OR, CA, ID, NV, AZ, MT, UT, NM, CO, WY) states together are around 0.6% of lyme cases nationwide. Many people in these states contract the disease out east, come home, and then visit a doctor in a western state. New Mexico had 3 confirmed cases in 2017, out of nearly 30,000 in the entire US. So no, Lynne disease does not even close to equality abound in New Mexico or the West.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/datasurveillance/tables-recent.html

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by magic_beans on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:44AM (#20748238)
An overworked doctor will prescribe them for "acne" or a "UTI" without too much fuss.
Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by swebs on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:23AM (#20747963)
>If you live in a lyme-tick area, you should have antibiotics on hand at all times.

Does this mean oral or topical? And if topical, would tryclosan be enough?

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by eigenloss on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:36AM (#20748137)
He's talking about oral antibiotics; these tick-borne infections propagate through your bloodstream, so topical antibiotics aren't going to do anything. Triclosan has effectively zero efficacy anyway (since we pump so much of it down our sewers): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4295542/

Unfortunately, since antibiotics are prescription-only, what forgotmypw3 is recommending is effectively illegal in the US. A much better option is to coat all of your clothing in permethrin, avoid wooded/grassy areas, and check yourself for ticks often.

Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by privateSFacct on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:45AM (#20748249)
If you travel internationally you can generally get a scrip overseas for first line antibiotics
Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by eigenloss on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:57AM (#20748419)
This is correct. The one saving grace of borreliosis is that azithromycin/doxycycline/etc are largely all out-of-patent, so the generics are cheap regardless of where you are.
Re:Time to Get Serious about Tick-Borne Diseases by forgotmypw3 on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @04:47PM (#20751945)
Yes, oral.

Triclosan has little effect on anything except being toxic to humans and wildlife.