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Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by pas on Monday August 12, 2019 @11:07PM (#20682462)
the rat race (material comfort) is addictive. money works wonders.

and it's easy to get stuck in a local minimum. (mortgage, kids/family need a lot of resources)

Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by throwaway94857 on Monday August 12, 2019 @11:38PM (#20682616)
Competition is as innate to animal life as is breathing. It's naive to think we can simply ignore our drive to compete with one another, as naive as thinking we can ignore hunger thirst or sexual desire.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by JackFr on Monday August 12, 2019 @11:43PM (#20682646)
And yet we can reject our nature.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by arkh on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @03:11AM (#20683485)
To what end?

If we accept the heat death of the universe and the fact nothing can go faster than light everything is bound to disappear. Trying to better Earth based life is useless. Then why bother trying to attain something higher? Just maximize your own pleasure until your conscience disappear. Suicide by psychedelic use is the only "hypersane" response.

Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by JackFr on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @10:41AM (#20686277)
The unvoiced assumption here is that the universe is fundamentally knowable through rational materialism.

Among the many things we've learned from science is that there are real phenomena that we cannot perceive. We use microscopes, telescopes, x-ray machines and other sensors of all kinds which create simulacra of the real phenomena which we can perceive.

Extend the analogy to our brains -- consider that there are literally thoughts we cannot think. Our brains tells us there are no thoughts we can't think, but our brains may be liars. Is there a way for our brains to grasp the literally incomprehensible?

Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by 52-6F-62 on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @07:47PM (#20691383)
It’s not hard philosophy but I recommend Letters to a Young Poet by Rainer Maria Rilke
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by JackFr on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @10:31AM (#20686175)
“The only serious question in life is whether to kill yourself or not.” - Camus
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by mensetmanusman on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @07:22AM (#20684639)
Not everyone comes to this conclusion, one line of reasoning is: because there shouldn’t be a meaningless universe in the first place, it must actually have meaning.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by htek on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @10:52AM (#20686387)
The belief that the universe must have a purpose is a trap. It leads you down a particular line of reasoning that ends with you believing in a creator god (or gods), or that the universe itself is divine. You would likely also reason that you have a purpose in the universe that dictates your actions (adherence to religious dogma or doctrine). All of this is baseless and rationalized without objective evidence. Your only certain "purpose" in life is that which you, yourself make.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by mensetmanusman on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:53AM (#20714192)
Yes, and everyone is free to make their purpose and choose that the universe does have meaning...
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by dsego on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:35PM (#20691666)
What is the purpose of this meaning for me, for my life right now? If not, than I shall not care about it. The universe can go f* itself.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by rowanG077 on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @06:03AM (#20684169)
I mean I can reject my nature and stop breathing. That is until I pass out and start breathing automatically. I can reject my nature and stop eating and drinking but that has swift death associated with it.

We can try and reject our nature but it seems eminently naive to me.

Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by me_me_me on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:02AM (#20684895)
And yet somehow you can resist an urge to kill unknown weak stranger and taking their possession. (that's what our ancestor did, but somehow its not normal anymore).
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by rowanG077 on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:43AM (#20685230)
What's your proof that this in in humanities nature? Not all actions we took during history are in humanities nature.

It seems more likely to me that humans were forced to do stuff like that due to other things in our nature like needing to eat and drink.

Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by dsego on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:37PM (#20691683)
By the demiurge?
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by rowanG077 on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @05:48AM (#20693989)
This comment makes no sense to me.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by dsego on Thursday August 15, 2019 @03:44PM (#20708919)
Gnosticism, look it up.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by rowanG077 on Friday August 16, 2019 @01:57PM (#20717726)
Yes I know what it is. I simply don't understand what that has to do with my original comment.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by throwaway94857 on Monday August 12, 2019 @11:51PM (#20682683)
Some try, fewer truly succeed. It's one thing to reject your nature, it's quite another to not live in some lingering dissonance as a result.
Re:The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look by alt219 on Monday August 12, 2019 @11:50PM (#20682678)
To some degree or another, and some better than others.