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Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by thepangolino on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @02:22AM (#20622669)
As a European, it boggles my mind how there isn’t any for of proper verification on voters identity in many US states.
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by toomanybeersies on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @04:45AM (#20623413)
That's normal in New Zealand as well. I can vote with no form of ID.

Requiring voter ID disenfranchises marginalised and poor voters, who may not be able to obtain ID easily. I know several people who have no form of government issued ID.

It's different in countries like Germany and France, where compulsory national ID is a thing.

Rates of fraud and abuse are low enough that this isn't an issue. Technically I could go and vote in somebody else's name, and hope they also didn't vote, and I most likely wouldn't get caught. But if they did vote as well, then the double-vote would be noticed (people have have been caught casting multiple votes in the past) and would be investigated.

Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by jakeogh on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:20AM (#20623586)
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by yazan94 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @09:18AM (#20624863)
I'm not sure what the laws are in NZ, but can a non-citizen vote in a NZ election? If noone checks for any sort if ID, how do they ensure that there isn't any fraud? In a democracy, I'm honestly not convinced that 'its not that big of a problem yet' is a sufficient answer
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by zfgnu on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:17AM (#20623568)
Marginalised and poor voters exist in Europe and they have an ID card like anybody else. Having yours done could be free, if you're so inclined.
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by pjc50 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:55AM (#20623757)
The problem is that the system would be run by racist state governments who would construct the system in the worst possible way.

(Not a conjecture, this was actually evidence in one of the various voter ID lawsuits; the state government had constructed a table with impact assessments of various approaches, then picked the one with the worst impact)

Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by danpalmer on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:41AM (#20623707)
Just because ID is free does not make it universally accessible.

If the office that hands out ID cards is only open 9-5 Mon-Fri, for example, a voter who must work during this time and can't afford to miss work may not be able to get ID.

Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by azinman2 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @02:29AM (#20622714)
This is a feature not a bug. Fraud is rare, but barriers to minorities and the poor having say are a real concern.
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by TylerE on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @02:57AM (#20622825)
I don’t really buy this. This is more an artifact of the US (insanely) not having any form of national ID.
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by azinman2 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:39PM (#20626829)
It’s not for you to buy. This is a well studied, well analyzed area because the GOP wants voter ID laws to reduce minorities and the poor at the polls.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-we-know-about-vote...

Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by TylerE on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @01:53PM (#20627652)
Oh I know that.

To be clear what I don’t buy is voter ID having a suppressive effect iff we had an actual national ID

Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by hdfbdtbcdg on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @06:14AM (#20623849)
Plenty of countries have no national photo ID. UK, Norway and Denmark to name three in EU.
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by acollins1331 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @06:45AM (#20623982)
What's so great about a national ID except more government control?
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by colordrops on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @03:47AM (#20623098)
Why don't minorities and poor have IDs?
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by esyir on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @03:53AM (#20623133)
Cause there's sizable opposition to government issued IDs.

IMO, it's bloody retarded that this feature is still non-present in the US, resulting in all the pseudo ids like driver's licenses and SSNs.

Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by azinman2 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:40PM (#20626835)
Not everyone has a car, and if you don’t have a car, then you probably don’t have a passport, and if you don’t have a car or passport, then you likely don’t have a valid photo ID.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-we-know-about-vote...

Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by newaccoutnas on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:36AM (#20623679)
We don't need ID in the UK, just turn up.
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by danpalmer on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:40AM (#20623699)
While this is true, it's a little disingenuous with regards to safe elections.

In the UK you must pre-register for a single voting location, and then when you turn up to vote they cross your name off so you can't come in again.

Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by newaccoutnas on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @07:01AM (#20624052)
Sure but getting on the electoral register (to my knowledge) requires no ID either. I think this is a big part as to why postal voting fraud happens.
Re:Darpa wants help cracking the election security problem by danpalmer on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @10:39AM (#20625548)
It doesn't require ID but is verified against other records and against the electoral register in other regions, i.e. you can't register in two different places. When housemates have moved out I have received letters asking me to re-confirm who is living in the house for the electoral register.

> I think this is a big part as to why postal voting fraud happens.

It might happen, but it is exceptionally rare. The impact of introducing voter ID laws would cause a far larger decrease in election validity due to voter suppression than postal voting fraud causes.