Terminating Service for 8Chan

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by cryptonector on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:25AM (#20612022)

That a crazy person posts a screed somewhere then commits mass murder is not by itself sufficient reason to destroy the forum where they posted their screed. It's not remotely clear to me that 8chan glorified previous mass murders -- of course, I've not looked, but then, Cloudflare doesn't post any evidence of this either. But even 8chan they did, that's essentially what the media is doing every time they give wall-to-wall coverage to any mass murder -- future would be mass murderers may fantasize about being the one the news media talk about next. No one talks about de-platforming CNN. Before we deplatform the 8chans of the world, at the very least we should have some evidence of how they failed to moderate content, and we should give them a chance to fix it.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by latexr on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:05AM (#20613053)

> No one talks about de-platforming CNN.

Roger Ebert[1], Tristan Harris[2], and others argue that the way CNN (and others) covers these events incentivises further occurrences.

[1]: https://boingboing.net/2012/12/15/roger-ebert-on-how-the-pre...

[2]: I’m having trouble finding the video amongst the flood of news reports from the recent events.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by cryptonector on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:22AM (#20614426)

But do they propose that CNN be deplatformed?

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by elbrian on Monday August 05, 2019 @11:40AM (#20615006)

The definition of the word `deplatform` is:

> To prevent someone from utilizing a platform to express their opinion.

CloudFlare is not a platform for expressing opinions. As such, 8chan was not deplatformed... so what point are you really trying to make, here?

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by dangxiaopin on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:41AM (#20612082)

According to Cloudflare's logic, ISPs should have stopped peering with Facebook after NZ shooter livestreamed there.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by q3k on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:17AM (#20612562)

Facebook implemented automation to ban any reposts of the NZ footage. Facebook routinely bans extremists groups.

8ch actively caters to white supremacists, by letting /pol/ be the second largest board there and not be actively moderated to combat hate speech. 8ch administrators did nothing to prevent hate speech from becoming a large chunk of their discourse. As such, people were looking towards 8ch's providers to do something about this, as it has been the case on the Internet since forever (ISP not reacting to abuse requests concerning their customers? Okay, we have to contact their upstreams then).

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by dangxiaopin on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:32AM (#20612626)

Oh so therefore, 8chan was deplatformed not in connection with this manifesto then, but due to their past record of not banning bad speech prior to this crime?

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by q3k on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:44AM (#20612677)

I don't know. I assume this can be the straw that broke the camel's back.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by dangxiaopin on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:47AM (#20612691)

And I assume you are a "net neutrality" advocate at the same time?

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by toyg on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:46AM (#20612687)

They are not exclusive - this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by cryptonector on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:45AM (#20612105)

Perhaps only if commenters glorified it? I'm sure you can find people to do that on FB or anywhere else, and it may take time to moderate such commentary. But no one would deplatform FB or Twitter -- they're too big. This approach means we have a powerful dynamic in place to limit the reach of any social media that isn't already "too big to deplatform".

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by michannne on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:26AM (#20613543)

>they're too big

And therein lies the problem. This sort of behavior is tolerated in Facebook and Twitter simply because they are "large" by some random metric. If FB or Twitter decides one day to mass censor a certain type of content, it somehow isn't a big deal because they are "large"

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by yhamv on Monday August 05, 2019 @04:37AM (#20612373)

In fact Facebook said they didn't remove the nz shooter livestream because nobody bothered to report it until very late

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by dangxiaopin on Monday August 05, 2019 @04:46AM (#20612422)

I would argue that the actual graphic livestream of a real mass murder is a much much more toxic and dangerous material than any theoretical manifesto. It's not even in the same league. But Facebook is too big to be dropped as a customer!

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by ElCapitanMarkla on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:15AM (#20612813)

Is Facebook a customer? I thought they had their own network?

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by cryptonector on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:24AM (#20614442)

Maybe not, but others could refuse to peer with them.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by yhamv on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:21AM (#20612840)

Pretty sure they are customers of several CDNs.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by fgdaniels on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:14AM (#20612544)

Please, as if Facebook would be taken down when a few pubescent mongoloids "glorified violence".

Glorification is a matter of free speech, because it is an expression of opinion. That you find it distasteful is fine, using that as a weapon is not.

Either way, Facebook won't be held accountable because it's funded by large investment funds, and HN won't complain because they're in bed together.

The "too big" argument is not a moral argument, that just says "we have money invested in it". If that's acceptable to you you have no morality.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by zouhair on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:28AM (#20612610)

> of course, I've not looked

So go look, it would not take you much (site down for now though, for obvious reasons). I did it back with the Christchurch terrorist attack and won't do it again it's so vile and that's a euphemism.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by cryptonector on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:24AM (#20614443)

How? They're being deplatformed.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by throwaway5752 on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:45AM (#20614593)

That is not what CF or any CDN does, and that's not what "deplatformed" means. If you toss it around like that, it won't be clear that it has a precise meaning and people will think it's a phrase that is thrown around to coerce people to unwillingly associate with people and organizations they don't want to associate with.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by cryptonector on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:00PM (#20618891)

How is your CDN abandoning you not deplatforming you? Can they get another CDN? When they do I'll give the site a look-see.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by DanBC on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:27AM (#20612033)

What evidence do you have that they were "crazy"?

Most people who commit mass murders are not "crazy" - they don't have psychosis, they know what they're doing, they plan the attack.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by runeks on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:39AM (#20612078)

> What evidence do you have that they were "crazy"?

They murdered dozens of innocent people. No one’s saying they were psychotic, necessarily.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by cryptonector on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:37AM (#20612074)

In my book anyone who would commit a mass murder is "crazy". I did not call the shooter a schizophrenic, or a psychopath, did I? "Crazy" is a colloquial term, not a medical one. That said, anyone who would kill random innocent people qualifies as a sociopath at the very least.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by KozmoNau7 on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:41AM (#20612085)

Users on 8chan (and Kiwifarms and similar sites) very specifically rile up hatred, they are frighteningly good at radicalizing frustrated young men.

They regularly praise previous mass murderers and goad others into doing the same.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by systemtest on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:53AM (#20612139)

So what you are saying is that 8chan has the same content as certain Facebook groups. Why not drop Facebook?

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by hoseja on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:01AM (#20612494)

Because it's much easier to succeed (and feel really good afterwards) in bullying the small deformed guy.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by cryptonector on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:46AM (#20612110)

I've no idea. I've never visited the site. Elsewhere in this thread it is said that they clearly jest -- I wouldn't jest about such things, but without seeing the content in question I can't say how questionable it is.

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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by KozmoNau7 on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:46AM (#20613696)

There is a very good reason why those manifestos were shared on 8chan, and it's because a significant amount of posters do not post those things in jest.

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