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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by Glyptodon on Sunday July 14, 2019 @08:36PM (#20437219)
In my opinion the hated puck mouse is far and away better than the current Magic Mouse, which will will pretty much destroy your hands and give you carpal tunnel guaranteed. The puck mouse had an orientation trough on the button that was easy enough to get used to and, more importantly, was huge enough to be substantive and supportive under a hand. As far as I'm concerned the magic mouse is a class action lawsuit in a box. I used one daily for a few months once and it took years for my hand to recover.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by pm on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:38PM (#20437483)
I've been using Magic Mice for ten years without any problems. Was there a model that had different ergonomics than the rest? I think I've used all models. It's been my favourite mouse since I started using it (mainly for the touch functionality).
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by rimliu on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:16AM (#20438766)
It is also my favorite mouse. I have zero problems with its ergonomics and zero problems with the charging port being at the bottom.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by cavisne on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:42PM (#20437504)
The magic mouse is certainly painful to move, however it would be interesting to see the actual impact on people's hands from it. Since getting one my behaviour has changed to move the mouse with a few fingers, and basically never move my hand. The sensor is very accurate so you can really crank up the movement in settings. This seems similar ergonomically to a trackball so i wonder if there is similar benefits.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by _ph_ on Monday July 15, 2019 @07:47AM (#20439891)
Right, I have my wrist basically fixed on the desk and move the mouse with my fingertips. Only when I go very long distances on a large screen I occasionally lift my hand. Alternatively, I lift the mouse and drop it a few centimeters to the side.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by leoc on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:30PM (#20437450)
The problem with the G3 iMac’s mouse was the cable. The low, round puck didn’t provide a good grip for fighting with the very stiff cable. If it had been wireless it would, I think, have been much more pleasant to hold. It’s not the case that a mouse has to be a blob-shaped fistful of plastic modeled after the MS Mouse 2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Mouse#/media/File:Mi... to be comfortable to hold. Think how you hold a pen, or how a professional holds a kitchen knife.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by bangonkeyboard on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:17PM (#20437388)
I honestly don't know how the Magic Mouse is meant to be used for extended lengths of time. The touch surface means that not only do your index and middle fingers need to be held hovering above it, but the rest of your fingers also need to claw in from the sides to keep overhangs of skin from triggering stray cursor movements. It is truly painful to use.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by JaggedNZ on Sunday July 14, 2019 @10:03PM (#20437591)
Maybe you used one with older firmware or an older model?

Currently using one as I type, the stray / static finger rejection is near perfect and I can easily scroll with my index finger with my middle finger and edge of my palm resting on the surface.

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by _ph_ on Monday July 15, 2019 @08:05AM (#20439999)
You don't need to hold the non-clicking fingers over the mouse for longer time, just lift them slightly when clicking, so a click becomes one finger pressing down, the others slightly moving back in parallel.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by beezischillin on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @07:41AM (#20449148)
Indeed, I never really had to develop a strategy, just started using it and used it since. Only thing I did was install magicprefs to make it slightly faster and never thought about the rest. Compared to the generic Microsoft-branded wireless mouse I used about 8 years ago with my PC, the difference is night and day. That mouse, designed for both left and right-handed people messed me up so much that my pink went numb for months even after I stopped using it. The magic mouse is much more comfortable than it looks, strangely enough.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by quickthrower2 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @08:48PM (#20437268)
For those of us who don't know:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Ma...

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by gurkendoktor on Monday July 15, 2019 @05:06AM (#20439167)
You can't see the bad design on a picture: To perform a right-click, you have to lift your left finger up from the touchable area, then click on the right half with your middle finger. You can't just permanently rest your fingers on top of the buttons as with other mice.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by jmull on Monday July 15, 2019 @09:32AM (#20440613)
You're welcome to your opinion, but that's almost pure FUD.

Somehow millions are using Magic mice without getting injured. Obviously, one device isn't going to work for everyone... and fortunately no one is try to make that happen.

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by Glyptodon on Monday July 15, 2019 @07:26PM (#20446228)
How do you rest your hand while using it without constant strain from holding your fingers off the surface?

Edit: I'm not trying to question you, I'm wondering if I used wrong somehow.

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by bootlooped on Sunday July 14, 2019 @08:45PM (#20437254)
It fails so horribly on ergonomics it's hard to believe it even got released. I was furnished one at work and quit using it after an hour.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by _ph_ on Monday July 15, 2019 @08:04AM (#20439993)
For me, the magic mouse is the best mouse I ever used. I am using BetterTouchTool to configure its touchpad part though. The mouse is very thin, so my hand comfortably rests on the desk and I can do all actions with my fingers. The big win though is, that I have perfect scrolling in y and x direction, something missing by all other mice I know of. I can use the whole back of the mouse for clicking. Especially nice is the ability to switch desktops or activate expose with multi-finger swipes.

I even mange to play StarCraft using the magic mouse.

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by morpheuskafka on Sunday July 14, 2019 @10:31PM (#20437688)
I just bought a new Mac and spent all of ten seconds looking at the "well-designed" Apple keyboard and mouse before buying the best third-party input devices I've ever had for less than half the cost. The Magic Mouse looks like it was build by someone who has never used a mouse in their life. The stupid little ball is so small it's basically impossible to scroll to boot.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by bangonkeyboard on Sunday July 14, 2019 @10:56PM (#20437786)
> The stupid little ball is so small it's basically impossible to scroll to boot.

Are you claiming to have just bought a new Mac with a Mighty Mouse?

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by Dylan16807 on Monday July 15, 2019 @01:31AM (#20438388)
Is there something wrong with using present tense to talk about a specific mouse design?

The "just" in the first sentence could be misinterpreted, but that's not the part you quoted...

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by saagarjha on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:54AM (#20438912)
The comment above looks a lot like the Mighty Mouse is the mouse they're referring to when they talk about the computer they "just" bought.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by Dylan16807 on Monday July 15, 2019 @04:29AM (#20439034)
Yes, they're talking about an old mouse. "just" has multiple meanings. As far as I can tell they used "just" to mean "simply", not "recently". They "just" replaced the mouse quickly and decisively, many years ago.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by Phillipharryt on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:26PM (#20437902)
We could be talking to someone still in 2009, perhaps we can help them navigate the next 10 years.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by robertoandred on Monday July 15, 2019 @04:23AM (#20439011)
You're talking about the Mighty Mouse, which hasn't been included with Macs in practically a decade. Are you making up stories for some reason?
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by simonebrunozzi on Sunday July 14, 2019 @08:43PM (#20437246)
You are right, but unfortunately nothing beats the Macbook trackpad, and that's what I tend to use 99% of the time nowadays.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by beezischillin on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @07:48AM (#20449178)
Some of that must be due to the features and gestures MacOS offers but I generally use my personal laptop at home without an external screen, keyboard, etc. because I never wanted to use a Windows / Linux machine with the trackpad a second more than I had to. I didn't expect much from my Macbook when I bought my first one and ended up using it almost exclusively with the touchpad only. From what I hear Microsoft's been trying to catch up with some new updated drivers, though according to LinusTechTips, they're still not there.

I used to have a Logitech G700 mouse for my old Windows machine and it had this ability to unlock the scroll wheel for smooth / fast scrolling but it was a disaster due to Windows' shoddy support of it. More often than not it just overloaded the window with scroll events and it bingbonged from the speakers for a while until the scroll events stopped. Glad to see that at least that's getting addressed.

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by jdofaz on Sunday July 14, 2019 @08:47PM (#20437264)
That was the second version, the original model didn’t have the dent.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by sk5t on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:09PM (#20437350)
A 3-button round DEC mouse from 1992 outclasses the Magic Mouse. Thing is an abomination.
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by samstave on Sunday July 14, 2019 @10:27PM (#20437671)
Super ironic that apple stole the idea of the Mouse from parc and managed to completely fuck it up.

I blame jobs for this.

He basically tried to force an opposing idea for its sake on something that would be an FU to MS.

But the physical design of these mice with the recharge port on the bottom was an utter retard.

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by scarface74 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @10:39PM (#20437720)
If by “stole” you meant Jobs made a deal with Xerox Parc to let it buy shares during the IPO....

https://zurb.com/blog/steve-jobs-and-xerox-the-truth-about-i...

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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by samstave on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:38PM (#20437944)
no deal - he fucking stole it....
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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by scarface74 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @11:45PM (#20437970)
Citation?
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