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Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by scotty79 on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:26AM (#20420494)
Is that even legal? Shouldn't commpanies that offer same products compete rather than cooperate?
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by gambiting on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:35AM (#20420558)
What? Of course it is. Companies develop certain models together and then they sell it under their own brands all the time. Peugeot Partner/Citroen Berlingo and pretty much every van out there is a shared development.
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by JorgeGT on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:41AM (#20420611)
That's true, but in that case Peugeot and Citroën have been the same company since more than 40 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupe_PSA
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by madlynormal on Friday July 12, 2019 @10:10AM (#20420845)
What about the Toyota/BWM collaboration on the new Supra?
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday July 12, 2019 @08:10PM (#20425655)
And the Toyota/Subaru collaboration on the BRZ/FR-S/GT86.
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by Nasrudith on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:37AM (#20420580)
Yes - a market that went full mercantalist companies would not be sane or functional. The only time it becomes illegal is price fixing or similiar.

This is just standardization. If one has something sufficiently better than the standard there is an incentive to defect and use it.

Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by koboll on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:37AM (#20420582)
It would only be "illegal" if their collaboration resulted in a monopoly. It clearly doesn't. Two businesses collaborating to fend off threatening competitors is perfectly fine. In fact, it's a good thing insofar as it raises their ability to compete, preserving the competitiveness of the market.
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by dragonwriter on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:39AM (#20420599)
> It would only be "illegal" if their collaboration resulted in a monopoly.

No, that's not the standard for a combination in restraint of trade. Controls on monopolies and abuses thereof are not the whole of anti-trust law.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying this is illegal, just that the fact that it doesn't create a monopoly is not, alone, the reason why it isn't illegal.

Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by koboll on Saturday July 13, 2019 @09:40AM (#20427991)
Yes, my comment oversimplified it, but that's a minimum requirement that isn't being met.
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by simion314 on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:38AM (#20420591)
I think it should be the normal thing when is about safety, it would be anti-humanity to say have an invention that makes better breaks and not sharing them with the other manufacturers or for "self driving" to have 20 different implementations, using 20 different training data sets on 20 different OS+frameworks+hardware combinations, if you can get this reduced to a few it should improve safety.

Also keep in mind that this companies do not compete on most of the parts of a car, many of this parts are designed,created and sold by third parties, this third parties can make products for different companies. I assume that now there is not a sufficiently large number of companies building this electric cars parts or self driving hardware and software from which the car producers can buy this parts.

Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by scotty79 on Friday July 12, 2019 @10:36AM (#20421045)
> ... sharing them with the other manufacturers ...

Sharing with all is completely fine. Sharing with selected one (or few) looks shady to me.

Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by simion314 on Friday July 12, 2019 @11:04AM (#20421220)
I do not see the downsides here, what are you afraid of?

Think about it like this, Ford and BMW are collaborating to make better airbags , in future both companies customers will have more safety because of this so no BMW customers should be upset that the Ford ones also got better airbags. What about the other companies though? Some are making good enough airbags in their opinion, some are buying airbags from a third party that are also good enough.

I am wondering if there is a bit of Silicon Valley jelosy that this companies won't buy SV tech that includes the latest ML buzzwords, the thing is that cars had driver assist features before SV made the autopilot cool again.

Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by iamnotacrook on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:29AM (#20420516)
"Is that even legal?"

What law would it break? Why wouldn't that imaginary law also apply to, say, mobile phone manufacturers who have entered into agreements to use each other's patents without specific permission or payments?

Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by arethuza on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:29AM (#20420510)
VW seems to specialise in having a number of brands that sell similar vehicles that differ in fairly minor ways.
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by bluGill on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:30AM (#20420526)
most car companies do.
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by codeulike on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:48AM (#20420678)
Toyota figured out the Hybrid tech and then licensed it to everyone else, if I remember correctly.
Re:Ford and VW Agree to Share Costs of Self-Driving and Elec... by switchb4 on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:28AM (#20420503)
Lol