Re:Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoo...
by pvg on Thursday July 11, 2019 @08:07AM
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There is nothing in the article that suggests 'abuse' let alone rules, which is what you said. It's not entirely clear exactly what was done here but it was probably an update to the Malware Removal Tool which does what you can surmise from the name, without user interaction.
Re:Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoo...
by fauigerzigerk on Thursday July 11, 2019 @08:51AM
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I care far more about the facts than about what's in the article.
Zoom is clearly not malware. It just has a bug. Is updating regular third party software documented behaviour of macOS? If so then I agree that it is not abuse. Otherwise Apple has some explaining to do.
Re:Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoo...
by rahoulb on Thursday July 11, 2019 @10:59AM
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I wouldn't call it a bug. Zoom deliberately engineered their app so it opened a security threat, accessible from any website on your browser, on your local machine without the user's knowledge. Then they reinstalled their software after the user had uninstalled it. Again, deliberately engineered that way.
That is not a bug
Re:Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoo...
by fauigerzigerk on Thursday July 11, 2019 @04:28PM
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Zoom's intention was not to introduce a security vulnerability. That's why I'm calling it a bug.
Re:Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoo...
by rahoulb on Friday July 12, 2019 @09:10AM
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Their intention was to bypass an inbuilt security measure. So no, maybe they didn't mean to add a vulnerability but they did mean to reduce the security of the system as a whole
Re:Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoo...
by pvg on Thursday July 11, 2019 @01:52PM
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Sure, facts are important. You started here:
The problem is that Apple appears to have made an exception to its own rules in this particular case. If I understand correctly, they used a first party system update mechanism to change third party software.
I don't think any of these are established facts and I don't understand how you, a fellow fact-fancier, haven't acknowledged that before breezily moving on to a discussion of the precise definition of the term 'malware'.
Re:Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoo...
by fauigerzigerk on Thursday July 11, 2019 @05:48PM
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If you read the quote carefully, you will see that I did use rather cautious language, and I did that exactly because I wasn't sure that I knew all the facts.
Re:Apple has pushed a silent Mac update to remove hidden Zoo...
by filmgirlcw on Thursday July 11, 2019 @03:23PM
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No, they installed an update to XProtect's signatures to say "this is malware, remove it if detected" -- something the company has done many times in the past.
As far as I know, there is no system-wide update mechanism for third party software not distributed through the Mac App Store that does not require any user interaction. So apparently they (ab)used the system update mechanism.