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Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by idlewords on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:06PM (#20320516)
A lot of discussions I've seen of Libra treat it as 12-dimensional chess where one of the players is a malign entity called "Facebook", looking to maximize revenue, or power, or in some other way malevolently patting a white cat in its lap. I have a different theory to suggest.

What if Zuckerberg is simply a very idealistic person who happens to have full voting control of one of the largest corporations in the world, and insists on pushing it to idiosyncratic ends? This is a guy who a couple of years ago decided that "we will cure all disease" was a non-ridiculous goal to put his and his wife's name on.

A lot of the complexity around Libra can be explained as Zuckerberg pushing for unfettered access to the financial system for everyone, and the many smart legal and technical minds at Facebook trying to protect the company from the regulatory and criminal nightmare such a system would pose in practice.

I may be wrong in this analysis, but in general I think we spend too little time analyzing what vapid thought may have come into Zuckerberg's head this time around, when it is a perfectly sufficient explanation of Facebook's behavior. In this model, the complexity and subtlety of the strategy come from people around the Great Leader trying to mitigate his vision, or adapt it to their own bureaucratic or ideological ends.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by jjeaff on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:11PM (#20320534)
Besides a few public comments here and there, what evidence do you see that Zuckerberg is altruistic in any way whatsoever? I've seen quite a bit of evidence and stories that he cares little for anything but total world domination. Not so much on the other side.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt too. But his main mantra since forever has been that he wants to connect the world. But if that was really his goal, then facebook wouldn't be such a closed, proprietary system.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by idlewords on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:14PM (#20320564)
I don't claim to see into the guy's mind, but I can imagine a power-hungry person telling himself stories about the hunger being justified by all the great things he wants to do for humanity.

It doesn't really matter whether the motives are pure or base; my point is more that the system is set up to amplify the wishes of one person with no recourse. So when the pharaoh gets obsessed with something weird, the empire must follow.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by dymk on Sunday June 30, 2019 @11:48PM (#20322329)
> what evidence do you see that Zuckerberg is altruistic in any way whatsoever

https://chanzuckerberg.com/

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by jjeaff on Thursday July 11, 2019 @02:54PM (#20414331)
A non-profit can certainly show altruism. It can also be a vehicle for legal tax evasion, PR, and power. Why create a new foundation when there are certainly existing and efficient organizations that could deploy your money better?
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by veratwiger on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @10:36AM (#20507035)
Ah, but CZI is not a non-profit, it's an LLC, making it an even more efficient vehicle for legal tax evasion, PR, and power. It also allows Mark and Priscilla to make funding decisions affecting entire communities on a whim, without the involvement of cumbersome board members.
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by crispyporkbites on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:13PM (#20320556)
In the Zuckerberg fan world, that IS altruism
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by drcode on Sunday June 30, 2019 @07:11PM (#20321176)
It's simple: Zuck wants to do basic stuff on FB like have an easy link that lets people split a bar bill or have an easy link for buying into a bridal registry, and his lawyers keep telling him stuff like "don't do that or FB will be regulated as a bank" or "don't do that or FB will need to do KYC" and he's sick of hearing that.

Libra's sole purpose is to let FB do this kind of stuff while sidestepping the regulatory red tape.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by throw20102010 on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:12PM (#20320553)
You might be right about Zuck being idealistic now, but we have a (much younger) Zuck on record calling his users idiots for trusting him with all their information. He may have matured, but people are justified in being wary. He’s shown some black hat tendencies in the past. I’m a lot more comfortable trusting my money with a bank rather than a company that makes its money selling my information. At least I understand the bank’s incentives.
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by idlewords on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:19PM (#20320583)
Don't mistake my calling him idealistic for any form of praise. I think idealistic people are some of the most dangerous and damaging people in the world.
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by OneGearRulesAll on Sunday June 30, 2019 @09:29PM (#20321766)
I'd humbly suggest another rewrite. None of us understands "idealistic" the way you do, and this word choice leads to confusion.
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by RobertKerans on Monday July 01, 2019 @06:26AM (#20324004)
Do you conflate "idealistic" with "good"? Similar to the sibling comment, I do understand people have different mental definitions, but idealism [esp + vast power] can and often does lead to fairly awful outcomes, this is afaik well understood. It just seems that you're misunderstanding what idealistic means
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by aptwebapps on Monday July 01, 2019 @02:15AM (#20322861)
I was going to jump on you to disagree, but I think you're partly right in that some people do understand something different from the word.

Still, it's important to understand that there are people who disagree with you, and who do things that you view as objectively wrong, that are driven by idealistic impulses.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by scottlocklin on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:23PM (#20320611)
I have a more realistic idea: Zuckerberg is a thief and a resentful little twerp with an inferiority complex, so much so, he even named his dumb project along the lines of the Winkelvii's crypto currency exchange. He needs cryptocurrency like he needs a biological warfare program to achieve the goals of his business, but his well founded sense of inferiority to the Winkelvoss entity he owes his good fortune to causes him to attempt to actually beat them at something.

But hey, I could be wrong. Maybe he's doing it because he's an idealist and wants to help the Africans.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by oska on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:57PM (#20320813)
> he even named his dumb project along the lines of the Winkelvii's crypto currency exchange

I hadn't made this connection before (although I'm sure it has been made many times in the bitcoin and cryptocurrency space already). Just to spell it out: the Winklevi's cryptocurrency exchange is called Gemini, the first air sign in the zodiac and also the sign of twins. Libra is the second air sign and also the sign of scales, or measuring & balance.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by idlewords on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:35PM (#20320673)
Yeah that makes way more sense.
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by raverbashing on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:14PM (#20320565)
It's becoming clearer with each day that Zuckerberg has no concept of morality or humanity. Nor that other countries or people won't share the enthusiasm of his newest big project.

Coming up with a project of "we will cure all diseases" show that well, it's just some pipe dream that sounds good for the mere mortals hence why Mark came up with it. Not because curing diseases is good for humanity, but because it will look nice on his CV.

Him, together with Bill Gates, look like the kind of people who would sell their own mother to make more money.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by idlewords on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:20PM (#20320593)
That's transparently false. The guy has a family, doesn't fire coworkers on a whim, stoops to pet animals in the street etc.

The moral here is you can't concentrate power this far, not that Gates or Zuckerberg are history's greatest monsters. No human being should have that level of power.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by raverbashing on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:45PM (#20320732)
Oh they're certainly not monsters, and I don't think they are fundamentally evil

More like extremely self centered

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by cm2012 on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:51PM (#20320763)
> raverbashing 35 minutes ago [-]

> It's becoming clearer with each day that Zuckerberg has no concept of morality or humanity

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by raverbashing on Sunday June 30, 2019 @06:12PM (#20320887)
I might have exaggerated, but even this phrase doesn't necessarily imply they are fundamentally evil

You might know all about morals and actively go against them. I don't think that's what's happening here

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by benj111 on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:36PM (#20320682)
Ok ill play, (queen to b 3 5 2 9 3 7 1 9 4 0 7 ;) )

Seriously though, assuming this is a zuckerberg brain fart, is that not more reason to be wary, more reason for regulators to close it down. If compliance are doing contortions to make a bad idea legal, that doesn't seem the best basis for a global currency.

Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by idlewords on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:41PM (#20320707)
I'm not saying any of this in defense of the idea.
Re:Nipping Libra in the Bud by benj111 on Sunday June 30, 2019 @05:59PM (#20320822)
I didn't say you were. :)

If anything its more damning.