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Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by CPLX on Friday June 28, 2019 @11:06AM (#20305017)
If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other.

That is, in fact, stupid.

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by felideon on Friday June 28, 2019 @11:25AM (#20305247)
Worse yet. Walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line mouse, and take them home -- realize a few days (maybe weeks, to be fair) later that you cannot charge your mouse with your laptop without a dongle.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by mrcarruthers on Friday June 28, 2019 @11:49AM (#20305569)
Even worse yet, once you get the dongle you cannot use your mouse while it is charging cause the port is on the bottom.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by ksec on Friday June 28, 2019 @02:22PM (#20307329)
>If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other.

All these worse case assume you can actually walk into an Apple Store in the first place. They are jam packed and a complete mess.

( I haven't seen the new layout and workflow of Post Angela Ahrendts Apple Store yet, so many be they are better now. )

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by pacifiedcitizen on Saturday June 29, 2019 @06:26PM (#20315188)
I could not believe this when I realized it.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by f137 on Saturday June 29, 2019 @07:35AM (#20312001)
You're holding it wrong way
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by Dylan16807 on Friday June 28, 2019 @02:45PM (#20307591)
It's silly but it's hardly worse. Take a four minute break.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by jgust on Friday June 28, 2019 @12:25PM (#20305993)
jUsT bUy A sEcOnD mOuSe!
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by reciprocity on Friday June 28, 2019 @12:33PM (#20306099)
Seriously?
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by jgust on Friday June 28, 2019 @02:41PM (#20307543)
Just echoing some absurd justifications/arguments for bad design made by diehard Apple fans.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by Dylan16807 on Friday June 28, 2019 @02:51PM (#20307659)
Just because you saw a dumb comment once doesn't mean you have to use it as a strawman.

It's a negative to the design, but the worst possible case is you go read or watch something where you won't need your mouse for 10 minutes.

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by Corrado on Saturday June 29, 2019 @02:52AM (#20311170)
See, you say that, but I've actually had the situation where my network was down and I had to wait 4 minutes before I could get it back up because of the stupid mouse design.

My wife works in a small, elementary school and I help with the computers from time to time. One day, their network was misbehaving and I needed to change some settings on their iMac "server". I quickly discovered that the mouse had lost it's charge over the 2 months that they didn't use it and I had to plug it in and wait for it to get a small charge. Well, first I had to find a USB <--> Lightning cable.

Anyway, the worst possible case is not that you go read something for a while; sometimes your network is down and you have to wait 10 minutes before you can fix it. Just because some designer thought it would be ugly to put a "tail" on a mouse.

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by Dylan16807 on Saturday June 29, 2019 @06:27AM (#20311786)
If you haven't used a mouse in months you're lucky it's still there.

More seriously if it went from misbehaving to calling you in to getting to the computer and adjusting it, it doesn't sound like the four minutes of charge time was anything but negligible. Finding a cable sounds like a bigger issue, and that could happen to any wireless mouse. (and wireless is definitely not a dumb design decision, there are clear usability advantages to wireless mice)

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by alexkavon on Friday June 28, 2019 @07:00PM (#20309503)
Or just buy a second mouse.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by raizinho on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:26PM (#20306702)
The way he wrote his comment (inverse capitalization) is an indication of sarcasm (on Reddit).
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by ihuman on Friday June 28, 2019 @11:37AM (#20305420)
Or the USB-C Lightning cable
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by jobu on Friday June 28, 2019 @11:27AM (#20305282)
It's ridiculous that iPhone didn't switch to USB-C when they dropped the headphone jack. Apple used to be so good about consistency and compatibility between products.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by buildawesome on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:08PM (#20306505)
If we're talking about consistency, how about the headphone port on the Macbook? You need a dongle to listen to music on your phone, if you want to use the same headphones for your computer.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by setr on Saturday June 29, 2019 @02:20AM (#20311067)
Thats somewhat more forgiveable: the desktop should be a superset of laptop ports, and laptop a superset of phone ports
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by chipotle_coyote on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:01PM (#20306416)
A couple counterarguments:

(1) "No way with the cables included in the box" is not the same as "no way." There's a USB-C to Lightning cable in the bag right next to me. That lets me plug a top of the line Apple laptop into a top of the line Apple phone. With no dongle, even.

(2) In practice, there are zero times over the last two years that I've had to plug a phone into a laptop. I can't honestly remember why I bought this cable; I think I wanted to see whether USB tethering to the phone was better than using the mobile hotspot feature (spoiler: kind of a wash). I am sure there are people reading this, possibly including you, raising their fists to the sky and screaming BUT IT IS THE PRINCIPLE OF THE MATTER, and, sure, okay, I guess. But is it?

One can make that argument that Apple should include both cables in the boxes, or a USB-A to USB-C dongle, or something. But in practice, just how many people need the USB-C cable for their phone, even if they have a USB-C laptop? The vast majority of people are probably only using Lightning cables to charge their phone from a charger, in which case it doesn't matter, or to plug into their car, which means they need USB-A anyway. (People may also be using Lightning-to-not-USB dongles, like headphone ports and HDMI output, but that's irrelevant to this.)

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by rhacker on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:25PM (#20306701)
The people waving fists aren't doing it for "PRINCIPLE OF THE MATTER". They are literally forced to use extra dongles and components for THEIR workflow.

Here's my reason:

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Headset-H390-Noise-Cancellin...

I can't find any replacements. Anyone on my team that tries whatever bluetooth whatever, they always sound distant or scratchy just plain lagged. On the other hand they keep asking me to tell them what I use because I always sound crystal clear with no background noise. I send them that link and immediately dismiss it because it's cheap, uses a stupid USB connector and their laptop doesn't support the plug without dongles. (I use a 2014 MBP)

Yet they keep complimenting me, like literally every call on how good I sound to them. I don't care if they found a $200 lightning plug version with large ear cups - they don't sound like I do.

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by chipotle_coyote on Friday June 28, 2019 @02:03PM (#20307125)
I'm not sure if you're the one who downvoted me, but dude, the "workflow" that I was responding to was not YOUR workflow, was it? I was specifically responding to someone who said there was "no way" to connect an iPhone to a USB-C MacBook, pointing out they were just flat-out wrong. You can make that connection very easily, with no dongles involved.

I'm sorry if you thought I was making some blanket statement that all workflows are absolutely wonderful under all circumstances on laptops that have moved to USB-C, but I also don't think that would be a remotely fair reading of what I wrote.

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by Phlarp on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:22PM (#20306657)
Almost everyone's complaints are resolved by changing lightning ports to USB-C. Obviously it will take time for that change to make it into the next hardware refresh of the mouse/keyboard/trackpad but it should have been on the iPhone two years ago.
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by Hippocrates on Saturday June 29, 2019 @08:30AM (#20312195)
Is it? Frankly, “syncing” your phone to a computer isn’t really a thing anymore with the advent of cloud storage and streaming music.

USB-A is probably cheaper and more universal as a wall-charging, or car charging standard right now.

Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by chrisseaton on Friday June 28, 2019 @04:03PM (#20308309)
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by mainlineman on Saturday June 29, 2019 @12:05AM (#20310756)
So why isn't this cable included with a new iPhone purchase? Where is the Apple USB-C iPhone or iPad charger?
Re:Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as... by chrisseaton on Saturday June 29, 2019 @05:55AM (#20311707)
> So why isn't this cable included with a new iPhone purchase?

Not everyone has a recent MacBook. Makes sense to stick with USB-A for now, I guess, for maximum compatibility.

> Where is the Apple USB-C iPhone or iPad charger?

Here https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/product/MR2A2LL/A/30w-usb-...