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Re:“The books will stop working.” by hyperman1 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @03:15PM (#20297591)
I wonder how this can even be legal in Europe. If someone sold you something, its yours. AFAIK, There is enough consumer protection to stop most EULA bullshit. So it seems it only needs someone to sue and some proof microsoft used the word 'sold' when you bought it.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by AnssiH on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:36PM (#20298453)
I doubt the law requires anything more than the full refund which MS is providing.

Similarly, if someone sells you a physical product that is faulty, the seller is not required to produce a replacement, they can just refund you instead.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by DenisM on Thursday June 27, 2019 @07:56PM (#20300143)
> the seller is not required to produce a replacement

As well they cannot demand any such thing - the country's money is legislated to be accepted as a settlement for any kind of debt. It's the "legal tender" thing.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by dredmorbius on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:55PM (#20300534)
Defective instances are a random (though not unpredictable) event occurring independently between instances, with no influence by the manufacturer, designholder, or vendor.

Hitting the Molly Switch on a DRM service is the exact opposite.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by pbhjpbhj on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:01PM (#20298061)
The UK Consumer Rights Act (CRA) appears to anticipate this as it has no absolute date beyond which goods should remain suitable for purpose.

Digital goods should last infinitely, so a digital good that 'expires' should be fixed or the cost fully refunded (fully as there are still an infinite number of years of use left available; and that should be accounting for inflation too).

Re:“The books will stop working.” by knd775 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:24PM (#20298337)
They are fully refunding all purchases, though.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by NegativeK on Friday June 28, 2019 @01:10AM (#20301657)
I don't understand how publishers are going to continue pushing DRMed media if they have to keep every sale as a liability on their books.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by afandian on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:03PM (#20298085)
I feel the legality should surround the description. This isn't "selling" it's "lending".
Re:“The books will stop working.” by tpush on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:22PM (#20298318)
You probably only obtain a license to read a book and don't actually own it, similar to streaming movies & music.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by rhino369 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:20PM (#20298291)
"and you will receive a full refund of the original purchase price."

Seems fair enough to me.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by hyperman1 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:42PM (#20298521)
That's like saying the car factory is allowed to take an old timer from you if they refund its original price.

Can I use the money to buy the same book? Is my time lost searching for this replacement worth nothing? If I added annotations, do they end up in the new book? If you answer any of these questions with 'no', its not fair enough.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by rhino369 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:05PM (#20300214)
That analogy is loaded because classic cars appreciate. Ebooks don’t. Toyota can feel to take back my 03 4Runner for the original purchase price.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by modsiw on Thursday June 27, 2019 @10:31PM (#20301012)
Ebooks can appreciate.

You could have originally bought it on sell and that sell is no longer available.

You could have added value to the ebook by way of adding annotations.

The ebook could have had better display than its competitors, if it and all other equal quality displays vanished, they are now very rare. Someone would be willing to pay more than your original purchase price if they could now get that display experience.

Re:“The books will stop working.” by TomMckenny on Friday June 28, 2019 @12:41AM (#20301517)
So can I reverse any contract at anytime or is this something only large companies are allowed to do and only to consumers?
Re:“The books will stop working.” by why-el on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:38PM (#20299082)
What's the definition of "fair" here? There are many scenarios under which that makes no sense. Is the price inflation adjusted? What if the currency in question tanked in the mean time? What about actual labor done on the copy (annotations, notes, ...). Not faulting Microsoft, but we really need to rethink this model.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by rmcrx on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:39PM (#20298484)
Only that I wanted the books, not the money.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by rhino369 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:02PM (#20300190)
Use the money to buy the book again.
Re:“The books will stop working.” by luisaguimaraes on Thursday June 27, 2019 @03:49PM (#20297925)
Let's just wait for who's it gonna be! And how will it look when "books stop working".