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Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square by ajuc on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @05:32AM (#20283302)
A particular corporation is top-down or at least it would like to be. But many corporations competing and cooperating is basically an ecosystem.
Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square by Retric on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @06:11AM (#20283489)
Meaningful markets account for a relatively small portion of modern economies.

Companies hate to compete and avoid doing so whenever possible. This can be as simple as ISP’s avoiding investment in areas with an existing ISP to complex backroom deals.

Internally, companies have full on top down planning just like governments. At larger companies this often results in silly levels of inefficiency.

Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square by JackFr on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @11:35AM (#20285997)
> Internally, companies have full on top down planning just like governments. At larger companies this often results in silly levels of inefficiency.

This leads to Coase's transaction cost theory of the firm.

" for Coase the main reason to establish a firm is to avoid some of the transaction costs of using the price mechanism. These include discovering relevant prices (which can be reduced but not eliminated by purchasing this information through specialists), as well as the costs of negotiating and writing enforceable contracts for each transaction (which can be large if there is uncertainty). Moreover, contracts in an uncertain world will necessarily be incomplete and have to be frequently re-negotiated. The costs of haggling about division of surplus, particularly if there is asymmetric information and asset specificity, may be considerable."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_firm#Transaction...

Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square by maxxxxx on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @08:02AM (#20284084)
“Internally, companies have full on top down planning just like governments.”

They are basically run like communist states. 5 year plans, celebrating plan achievement and so on. It’s all there. The only difference is that their outside borders aren’t protected so they can’t become as delusional as a communist state can be.

Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square by mruts on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @11:31AM (#20285960)
> Meaningful markets account for a relatively small portion of modern economies.

There's no way that's true. Like, how many monopolies in America, say, can you even name? I've almost never in my entire life been in a situation when I literally only had one choice for a product or service, even in areas of so called natural monopolies.

Edit: Actually I can name some true monopolies: NBA, NFL, etc.

Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square by Retric on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @02:56PM (#20288018)
I would add, Patent protected drug companies, local electric company’s, railroads, water, cable TV, etc and arguably IP including Books, Movies, Games etc are true monopolies. Don’t forget governments as the Social Security, FBI, etc does not compete on an open market. Collectively, government spending is a huge portion of the economy.

OPEC (Oil) and De Beers (Diamonds) are not true monopolies, however they have enough control over supply to have pricing power.

But as I alluded to, Walmart’s 2.3 million employees don’t use markets internally to set prices for services. IT, Legal, HR, etc are not separate companies. Instead executives just allocate and get allocated money for a specific use.

It’s not obvious how you could measure such a wide range of hidden interactions collectively. But, market transactions have real overhead so it should be as not surprise it’s limited. After all your spouse will tell you to take out the trash rather than paying you to take out the trash.

Re:Life is fractal, but markets are square by dredmorbius on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @03:20PM (#20288234)