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Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by Ajedi32 on Monday June 24, 2019 @10:21PM (#20270624)
So the company basically went out of business. Sounds about right to me. What more could you possibly ask for?
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by brianpgordon on Monday June 24, 2019 @10:46PM (#20270747)
Well, it's impossible (and unfair) to claw back revenues from shareholders at this point, but we could require active oil/gas drillers to put up gigantic deposits, held in escrow, which would be confiscated if they're unable to pay for environmental cleanup of spills they caused. If they can't afford the deposit, they can return capital to shareholders and cease operations. Of course, this will never happen "because jobs."
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by jobigoud on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:03AM (#20272926)
I've been thinking the same for companies operating nuclear power plants, they should be forced to do this, provision funds according to the scale of losses in case of accident, or factor these potential losses in the price.

Otherwise it's completely unfair to other technologies that don't yield similar environmental and social impact when they fail catastrophically.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by brianpgordon on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @03:39AM (#20282682)
I see your point but I think that might do more harm than good. When nuclear goes wrong it goes really wrong, but it's still way better than petroleum or coal. Discouraging nuclear is the last thing we need right now when oil companies have so little accountability for carbon emissions.
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by AstralStorm on Wednesday June 26, 2019 @04:03AM (#20282802)
I'd like some "really wrong" examples that aren't 60 years old today.

Even Fukushima was quite clean and it was a total compounded disaster... Three Miles Island is ancient already and limited in impact.

Anything else?

I can look and find examples of improper dust and ash disposal, mining accidents, incorrect filter operations daily, on the other hand. Sometimes fatalities too, every some years.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by opportune on Monday June 24, 2019 @10:31PM (#20270669)
It doesn't really seem fair that a company can return profits to its shareholders for many years while being environmentally negligent, then once it actually has to respond to environmental issues, it can just goes out of business. One, those profits are basically ill-gotten gains, and two, you are encouraging this kind of behavior by letting the people who received the profits keep them.

I'm not sure how to implement this, especially in a way that's fair, but if the company is unable to cover the environmental damage itself I think those profits out to be paying for the damage before taxpayers.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by nradov on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @01:09AM (#20271358)
The usual solution in other industries is to require all companies in the industry to pay a percentage of revenues into a common insurance fund. Then there would be a pool of money to pay for cleanup even after bankruptcy.
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by nojvek on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @01:22PM (#20276547)
Insurance is a pretty dirty word right now. Especially when they are for-profit insurance companies.

US healthcare is a great example of insurance companies causing so much complexity that people willingly chose death over going bankrupt.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by dTal on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:28PM (#20280330)
If the (sunk-cost) common insurance pool pays for it, where's the incentive not to pollute? We're right back where we started with a tragedy of the commons.

For the proper incentive structure, you have to treat the money the way we treat all proceeds of crime - it's forfeit. If you buy a stolen bike, you don't get to keep it when the police come knocking. Ignorance of the crime doesn't earn you the item - it simply means you don't go to jail.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by xiphias2 on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:34AM (#20271674)
The solution is clear: prison. The CEO knew that the company caused huge environmental damage, but lied about it. I don't think it could be simpler than that.

Of course the CEO won't go to prison, as he has too much power for that.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by joelx on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @12:10PM (#20275646)
The limited liability business concept is extremely damaging because it removes accountability for externalities and bad behavior. I myself and an owner of a limited liability company so ending this Would not be to my benefit. However the benefit has society would be massive. Shareholders and owners and directors and managers should all be held personally financially liable and there should not be a time limit to this liability. The government should be able to claw back all of the profits that Taylor energy generated.
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by aries1980 on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:03AM (#20271557)
Indeed doesn't seem fair, but that's the point for a Limited Liability Company. Who is in their right mind grant mining rights to a company that can't cover the consequences?
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by pwodhouse on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:38AM (#20273169)
No one does. The mining rights are stolen by corrupt governments and then given away to cronies.