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Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by maxme3 on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:39PM (#20268217)
What's the name of the Facebook equivalent?
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by exfbthrowaway on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:48PM (#20268316)
It was called ‘super’ and it was most famously abused by an intern that blabbed to the press about using it. They then added more restrictions and auditing to ‘super’ which was supposed to be mostly for investigations and user operations teams to help users with their own account issues. Also at that time Zuck’s own account was always super so...
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by coderintherye on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:23PM (#20268658)
Auditing sure, but almost any Facebook software engineer has permission to still take super user actions. The ability to abuse is still there, it's just a question if they actively audit well enough to catch the abuse.
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by barce on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:11PM (#20269046)
From an anonymous source, I found out it's automatic termination if you're using super mode unauthorized. Would love to get one more anonymous or non-anon source to verify.
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by acjohnson55 on Monday June 24, 2019 @09:45PM (#20270469)
I know of someone who had to go in front of an internal audit committee of some sort due to unauthorized access. He did it during a demo, not really thinking it through. They were convinced it was unintentional, and he got to keep his job in the end. He was telling me it was definitely considered a termination-worthy thing, and was legit worried about losing his job.
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by darkwizard42 on Monday June 24, 2019 @09:48PM (#20270476)
Spent time at FB, can confirm that you have to go through a few modals, your manager is notified via email, and the penalties are quite harsh. This was back in 2014
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by kerng on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:10PM (#20269042)
Really? Any intern could just request access and get it, and maybe get caught abusing the access?

Not sure if you can share more, but this seems way to easy and auditing is, well, to late.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by darkwizard42 on Monday June 24, 2019 @09:49PM (#20270483)
When I was at FB you had to go through two confirmation modals and at least from my team (biz intelligence on ads side) it said an email would be sent to my manager if I proceeded.

I never worked in a role that required me to go further, but the penalty of losing my job deterred me just fine.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by gnu8 on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:36PM (#20270063)
At a real company you have to write up something saying what you are planning on doing before taking any action, eg change control. I don't think that type of thing fits into the "move fast and break things" culture though.
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by sonnyblarney on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:46PM (#20268849)
"but almost any Facebook software engineer has permission to still take super user actions"

If this is true, I find it shocking in light of all of the recent allegations especially.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by delusional on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:57PM (#20268389)
What reasons do companies like facebook have to actually make these tools safe? As long as it has the veneer of only being used for the right things, they don't really have an incentive.

No-one is going to check up on Zuck. So as long as he doesn't leak it himself, no-one is really going to know if he checks your nudes. I don't even really blame him. It's just human nature to be curious.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by Spooky23 on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:12PM (#20268533)
It’s important because locks ultimately keep good people honest.

A system where access control policy is capricious is a system that is fundamentally broken. I have been in jobs where I had the authority to hire and fire people, and make significant decisions that impact important things and spend lots of money. But guess what? I don’t have access to employee applications with PII. I don’t have access to the accounts for the business. Don’t know about employee healthcare or retirement.

If I tried to use my position to get access to that data, I would expect that issue to be escalated, even if I were the CEO. A data driven company with casual disrespect of basic principles is a problem waiting to happen.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by delusional on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:10PM (#20269040)
I'm not disagreeing that it's important. I'm asking, in a corporate environment driven by capitalism and the ultimate pursuit of generating revenue/shareholder value. Why would a company care?

I know that I've seen situations where departments critical to this access control policy system were chronically understaffed, because they are cost centers. They don't generate value. In the same way I've heard security and access control dissuaded from software development, because "we just need to get this out".

What all of these situations end up with is "performative" access control. You have to act as though you need the data, but beyond that it's a free for all. This lets the company pretend like it's fulfilling it's obligations, while saving money.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by Spooky23 on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:09PM (#20269482)
Easy. Risk.

Where does the magical privilege end? Who is responsible when the all-seeing CEO is compromised personally and data or cash is exfiltrated?

A common fraud committed against public institutions like school districts or small businesses is compromise of a business manager’s account, which allows an attacker to empty the checking account.

In a public company, that sort of fraud for finance is mostly controlled by regulatory compliance. But as we know, information or data has value. Value as a commodity, value as a competitive advantage, etc.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by exfbthrowaway on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:20PM (#20268633)
This.
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by EGreg on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:12PM (#20269060)
That
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by jjulius on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:31PM (#20269196)
The other
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by exfbthrowaway on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:18PM (#20268600)
Abuse scandals erode user trust in the product which is bad because growth over everything seems to be the name of the game. Worse for publicly traded companies as it could impact dollars. Not so much anymore as the news cycles are so short that the impact on the stock only lasts a couple days before bots buy up the dip.

“Perception is reality” was an internal slogan at the time. So if users (at the time) believed it was evil maybe they leave or maybe a possible new users chooses not to sign up.

The other thing too is employees abusing such a tool with other employees. When you use super you assume the user id of the user of your choice. That’s pretty dangerous and there are way better ways of helping a user fix an account issue than signing in as them. If employees can’t trust each other not to snoop then how can users trust the company not to snoop? It had to be addressed internally at the time of the intern that was creeping on someone and that’s when things started getting locked down and more auditing applied. But I think it boils down to PR. If you run a company online trust is everything. I’m sure this crowd understands that nothing online is secure but Facebook was built for the masses and they need to have that blind trust that they’re personal lives are private.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by Arbalest on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:20PM (#20269545)
> “Perception is reality” was an internal slogan at the time.

I don't think this line really conveys the weight of the slogan. That slogan is applicable in so many fields and pretty much all the time. Even just in small social circles, not just politics, whether corporate or government.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by pavel_lishin on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:07PM (#20268493)
> No-one is going to check up on Zuck.

Except an engineer with a grudge, or a moral objection. Or an investigative reporter. Or a hacker.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by exfbthrowaway on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:19PM (#20268611)
Phish Zuck successfully and you have the keys to the castle.
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by bduerst on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:49PM (#20268875)
Not sure about FB, but Uber's was called God View - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/13/uber-empl...
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by angel_j on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:46PM (#20269334)
Facebook
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by ditonal on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:47PM (#20268303)
Google scares me much more, for me, my data on Facebook is nothing compared to the amount of my personal data on Gmail and Docs. Having worked at Google, a regular cog in the wheel engineer getting access to sensitive user data is carefully monitored and logged for appropriate usage, but I also strongly suspect that if a powerful player like Schmidt/Brin wanted to get the dirt on private user data they would have no problem, because there is a strong culture of secrecy that labels any sort of whisteblowing as "leaking", considered the most cardinal of sins by most Googlers.
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by mevile on Monday June 24, 2019 @04:55PM (#20268378)
Was this meant to be a reply to another comment? How does this answer the question your parent comment asked?
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by ditonal on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:23PM (#20268650)
This might help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

If Facebook has such a tool, it's certainly not public knowledge. The parent comment was clearly meant to make a point that Facebook could have such a tool, even if it's not public knowledge. I was expanding on that point that Google could as well. Hope that helps.

Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by rhacker on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:12PM (#20268538)
It definitely scares me that someone like Schmidt would have access to that personal data. Brin, Page - meh but I would still rather them not.
Re:When Myspace Was King, Employees Abused a Tool Called ‘Ov... by ditonal on Monday June 24, 2019 @05:31PM (#20268741)
I agree that Schmidt is a good example of someone who's already demonstrated willingness to use his power to bully those he perceives as political opponents, but the principle that access to such an incredibly dangerous power exists, and that existing regulation can barely if at all limit it, is really the problem. Forget any specific individual and ask yourself if we can trust every high level Alphabet exec who could pull some strings and make sure it doesn't get "leaked" that those strings were pulled in decades to come.