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Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by hirundo on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:46PM (#20245739)
> Thus BancList (spelling absolutely intentional, because even the K is regulated and I am absolutely not joking about that fact).

No, he's not joking. Even the font size is regulated. I ran into that as an employee of a commodities trader. I'm not sure if the choice of font is regulated but it wouldn't be surprising.

Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by wmil on Friday June 21, 2019 @04:28PM (#20246051)
A bit of a tangent, but in Canada "financial advisers" are regulated and required to act in the customers interests. So naturally banks will connect you to "financial advisors" (unregulated) to buy products.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/marketplace-watchdog-advise...

Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by sjy on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:52PM (#20247740)
Putting aside the real issue of advisors not acting in their clients' best interest, the distinction between 'advisers' and 'advisors' seems to be a myth based on an assumption by the Small Investors Protection Association that the spelling of the word in a certain law is somehow decisive, which would make no sense in the context of consumer protection.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/financial-advisor-vs-advis...

Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by mstibbard on Friday June 21, 2019 @09:33PM (#20247498)
FYI financial advisers having a fiduciary duty to their clients is standard in most of the western world EXCEPT America.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by CriticalCathed on Saturday June 22, 2019 @04:27AM (#20248604)
That seems like it ought to be illegal. It's an obvious skirting of the law. I doubt this is true, and if it is I can't even begin to imagine the number of things this "loophole" would affect.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by newsoul2019 on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:52PM (#20245794)
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by benj111 on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:52PM (#20245792)
I'm guessing font size regs are to prevent "RISK FREE INVESTMENT, (investment not risk free)" type things? That seems sensible. I can see there being rules for italics etc for similar reasons.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by mdpopescu on Saturday June 22, 2019 @01:06AM (#20248129)
Wouldn't it be much less game-able to forbid LYING in a document, as understood by the elusive man-in-the-street?

Seriously: to judge a contract in case of a conflict, pick 12 people from the street and ask them to summarize it. Go with what they wrote. Going to "experts" when deciding language is what created the current mess, sticking to them is not going to solve it.

Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by benj111 on Saturday June 22, 2019 @04:37AM (#20248627)
Most of time it isn't about lying, its about small print hidden in the document.

Legal text is often opaque to laymen because it has specific legal meaning, plain commonly understood language doesn't have specific meanings so you get into situations where even the lawyers aren't sure how it should be interpreted.

To use a tech analogy, the lawyerese is the source code, if you want the ultimate truth, go there, you should be pairing it with adequate documentation though.

Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by delinka on Saturday June 22, 2019 @03:27PM (#20251248)
>...the lawyerese is the source code...

Inasmuch as that's even possible, yes. The problem is that even this "language" is open to interpretation by courts.

Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by soulofmischief on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:50PM (#20245776)
Would you mind going into more detail? What about the K is regulated? By whom?
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by peterkshultz on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:53PM (#20245801)
"...in the United States, the commerce departments of state governments generally prohibit or restrict the use of certain words in the names of corporations unless those corporations are legitimate chartered banks. For example, words prohibited by the state of Louisiana include bank, banker, banking, savings, safe deposit, trust, trustee, and credit union" [1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banq_(term)

Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by soulofmischief on Friday June 21, 2019 @04:08PM (#20245902)
Thanks for the info! Seems like a bit of a silly regulation given that major banks themselves are able to circumvent it in order to shed liability.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by Quenty on Friday June 21, 2019 @04:31PM (#20246068)
But at least unregistered banks can’t name their company “Trust Bank” or something.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by scott_s on Friday June 21, 2019 @04:54PM (#20246240)
This is worth stressing: such regulations often exist to prevent fraud from outright scammers. If such a regulation did not exist, I am confident there would be institutions that called themselves a "bank" but met none of the basic consumer protections we expect from a bank.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by asark on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:42PM (#20246857)
Generally, it's a good idea to force labeling of businesses and products to match their potential customers' expectations of what they mean. It's one of those places where fostering a well-functioning free market (by decreasing information asymmetry, to put it succinctly, even if we're not talking outright scammers) is at odds with some strict notions of liberty (to call your business or product whatever you please).
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by JackFr on Saturday June 22, 2019 @12:01AM (#20247940)
There are similar requirements in some jurisdictions for lawyers. For instance if you work for a law firm, but are NOT a lawyer, you’re business card must indicate that.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by mdpopescu on Saturday June 22, 2019 @01:04AM (#20248119)
Given the crisis of 2008, I would say that this failed utterly, wouldn't you? It's just another few millions lost in regulation compliance to add to the billions lost to the "outright scammers" that are the regulated banks.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by draw_down on Friday June 21, 2019 @04:04PM (#20245880)
When I worked on a site for mutual funds years ago, we couldn't use green-color text because it could be considered as implying that the person reading it would make money.
Re:“Banclist.com is probably the most lucrative direct messa... by module0000 on Friday June 21, 2019 @04:25PM (#20246025)
Commodity trading platforms are forced by the CFTC(commodity trading regulating body) to represent bids with a blue color, for exactly the same reason. If the bids are green, someone might make the argument that you would profit from bidding more than selling.