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Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by amelius on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @10:01AM (#20164699)
A similar thing can be said for "spelt" (a kind of wheat).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt

> Spelt was an important staple in parts of Europe from the Bronze Age to medieval times; it now survives as a relict crop in Central Europe and northern Spain, and has also found a new market as a 'health food'.

Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by pjc50 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:15AM (#20165447)
Rather odd to talk about wine continuity across the centuries without mentioning phylloxera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight

So the seeds might be the same, but the roots often aren't.

Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by th0ma5 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:39AM (#20165762)
I kept seeing somewhere for a while that Ohio based grape varieties are used for the root stock now used, but I can't find this anywhere now. Perhaps it isn't accurate.
Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by wjp3 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:51AM (#20165917)
Uncertain that they were from Ohio, but it was (and is) American rootstock that’s used to combat the parasite.
Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by convivialdingo on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:57AM (#20165990)
I had read earlier that the rootstock came from Ingleside, near Corpus Christi, TX. Wikipedia says they came from Temple, TX.
Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by amyjess on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @12:29PM (#20166390)
I was actually just talking to a coworker last week about this, and he told me that modern rootstock almost entirely comes from Grayson County, Texas (a.k.a. the Sherman-Denison MSA, just north of the Dallas area).

Interestingly enough, a few weeks ago I had a Riesling from Washington that had "100% vinifera rootstock" prominently printed on the label. Not every part of the world got hit by phylloxera. I understand that some parts of South America (either Argentina or Chile, I can't remember) were spared as well.

Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by plugger on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @08:23PM (#20170738)
There are still pre-phylloxera vines in South Australia as well that are over 150 years old.
Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by archi42 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @10:16AM (#20164854)
At a wine seminar I attended a few years ago we primarily had wine from Bethlehem and the general Palestine region. The importer told us that the wine culture there is some thousand years old (which of course it is, at least there is a tradition to turn water to wine ;-)); but he also said that some grape farmers are growing grapes [again] that are as genetically close to the grapes from said water-to-wine era as possible.

(I would love to give a citation, but couldn't find one within 2 minutes - so take this as hear-say; though the importer, which is a good friend of a good friend, seemed to be not the kind of person to make this up)

Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by twooclock on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @12:21PM (#20166280)
If anyone is interested there's a 450 years+ old wine still growing: https://www.slovenia.info/en/places-to-go/attractions/world-...
Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by ThePirateofOz on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @01:59PM (#20167448)
And the oldest in the US is growing on the Outer Banks of North Carolina.

http://www.themothervine.com

Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by ptah on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:56AM (#20164647)
>Meanwhile, the pathogens that prey on grapes have continued to evolve, leading to major pesticide use

warning bells went off when reading this: it looks like wine industry as it is now is unsustainable

Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by Mediterraneo10 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:31AM (#20165646)
It is a pity to see you being voted down, since the use of pesticides in the wine industry (in volumes which exceed some of the other agricultural industries that give consumers pause) has been a matter of fairly broad public concern for a few years now, see e.g. [0][1][2]

I feel fortunate that in my country, wines in the production of which pesticides were not used, are readily available and for comparable prices to the other wines. In many markets, however, consumers do not have that choice.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/opinion/pesticides-in-fre... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/dining/in-france-pesticid... [2] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/wine/whic...

Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by Const-me on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:59AM (#20166004)
Same here in Montenegro. I don't know whether pesticides are used by commercial wineries, but grapes just grows naturally here with very little maintenance, not requiring any pesticides.
Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by lisper on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @10:02AM (#20164717)
If you're worried about the wine industry you'd better brace yourself: the entire planet as it is now is unsustainable.
Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by NotPaidToPost on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @10:22AM (#20164921)
Most varieties of plants used for crops, fruits, flowers, etc. have been so heavily selected by us over thousands of years that they are completely artificial and would not survive long in the wild.

It does not mean that it isn't sustainable. Just that we are required.

Re:A Medieval Grape Is Still Used to Make Wine by c0brac0bra on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @12:12PM (#20166179)
I would think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aglianico would be older still.