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Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:08PM (#20087019)
> subtle signaling by the current administration to fall in line

Everyone who's been lobbying for one of these investigations has been lobbying for the other three. A couple key folks at the DoJ started prioritizing tech antitrust, in part due to some other time-consuming matters having recently been sunset. (Previously, it was being pursued as a civil matter though the regulators. Big legal teams have an easier time squashing those compared.)

No need for a political conspiracy. (In any case, these investigations take a long time to get going. None of these efforts were started in even the last months.)

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by matthewdgreen on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:02PM (#20087866)
Under another administration (either Democratic or Republican) it might be reasonable to accept this explanation. The problem with this administration is that "assume this decision is being made by career employees acting with no political self-interest" has not proven to be a good betting position.
Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by mwfunk on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:49PM (#20088556)
In fact, Occam’s Razor would suggest that any action taken by this administration should be assumed to be politically motivated, barring evidence to the contrary. Especially since the current administration has always been very vocally hostile to any sort of regulatory or antitrust action.
Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by creaghpatr on Monday June 03, 2019 @05:58PM (#20089331)
The house judiciary committee is democrat-controlled, so at the very least it's a bipartisan investigation(s). Both parties have spoken out on antitrust (if only for separate, self-interested purposes).

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/03/tech/tech-antitrust-house-pro...

>The Democratic-led investigation comes as the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission are taking their first steps toward a potential probe of their own into Google, according to three people familiar with the matter. Regulators have negotiated to divide oversight of the tech industry between the two agencies in recent weeks, these people said. The two agencies have also reportedly split up oversight of Amazon, Apple and Facebook.

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by cabaalis on Monday June 03, 2019 @07:21PM (#20090020)
I try very hard to give some grace to the "Trump bad in everything" that I hear so much. However, his moronic tweets aside, I see nothing more than normal politicking, and right-of-center governance. The biggest flaw I see is the inability to admit and correct policy problems, which is absolutely not unique to President Trump.
Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by Nasrudith on Monday June 03, 2019 @07:53PM (#20090300)
Privatized child cages for the explicit reason of brutalizing those applying for asylum are normal right of center governance? Calling an investigation which found numerous cases of foreign involvement a coup?

I think you might be suffering from severe change blindness.

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by inflatableDodo on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @06:40AM (#20093679)
Nonsense, everything is normal. Look;

>"I believe that if people stoped[sic] using or subscribing to @ATT, they would be forced to make big changes at @CNN, which is dying in the ratings anyway. It is so unfair with such bad, Fake News! Why wouldn’t they act. When the World watches @CNN, it gets a false picture of USA. Sad!"

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 3, 2019

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11354990026261544...

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by inflatableDodo on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @11:17AM (#20095807)
I know, that is why I said that everything is normal.

I am in complete agreement that all of those examples make Donald Trump appear quite normal.

This is because Donald Trump is an ordinary president in a very normal way.

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by chx on Monday June 03, 2019 @08:42PM (#20090636)
Really? The trade war with China and the upsetting of decades old alliances with other NATO countries and South Korea is normal...?
Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by inscionent on Monday June 03, 2019 @08:04PM (#20090383)
Keep those blinders up
Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 03, 2019 @07:43PM (#20090231)
> Under another administration (either Democratic or Republican) it might be reasonable to accept this explanation

The House Judiciary Committee, chaired by a Manhattan Democrat, is also investigating.

I have to say I'm surprised by the anger on this forum in response to these investigations. Yes, a lot of us butter our bread from big tech. And yes, there are other antitrust targets in the country. (There are always other targets.) But for years, comments about the lawlessness and recklessness of these companies have been raised. When I--and others--raised the possibility of a response, through regulators, the courts and the legislature, the possibility was met with derision.

Now that we have progress on the investigations, there is a mixture of (a) allegations of partisanship, (b) whataboutism and (c) a general tone of hostility around the motivations of those pursuing these investigations.

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by oceanplexian on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @08:11AM (#20094179)
> Yes, a lot of us butter our bread from big tech. And yes, there are other antitrust targets in the country.

I would argue the opposite for people in our industry. If Google, Apple, and/or Amazon have truly been acting in anti-competitive fashion, it's likely they have stifled natural competition, which would probably drive up wages (See the Apple/Google Poaching scandal). It's also likely more of us would be starting small businesses without company run walled gardens preventing us from doing so.

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by golem14 on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:13PM (#20087080)
Agreed, but again, the fact that these all happen in the same time frame is weird. I guess each of the investigations will tie up a lot of resources, but all 4 at the same time seem pretty taxing to an already busy admin.

Also, noone here has been suggesting a conspiracy.

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by colechristensen on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:20PM (#20087177)
It does seem a bit convenient, but on the other hand if you put a positive spin on it, in the ideal world you would want investigations of the big n tech companies to happen at the same time and not play "favorites" by doing one first and letting the others benefit.

Whether or not they violate existing statute, they all seem to be abusing their power in various ways. (Google and Facebook with personal information, ad handling, and interoperability, Apple with walled garden and no-competition apps, et al.)

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by golem14 on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:06PM (#20087933)
Agreed that in general, there is a danger of playing "favorites" by doing one first and letting the others benefit. Hasn't stopped DoJ etc in the past though.

Also, I'm not saying it's a bad development for consumers if the investigations and legal actions actually come to pass (not sure how much is "considered" vs "definitely planned" vs "initiated and staffed").

Re:U.S. Justice Dept Considering Apple Probe: Sources by pmart123 on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:57PM (#20088668)
This seems right. I know people in the venture and tech community that have been receiving inquiries for close to a year on whether big tech is too big. Of course, the venture community has a biased "expert opinion" given its in their best interest to weaken incumbents and open up lanes for new startups versus conveying what is the best course for the consumer.