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Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by scotty79 on Thursday May 23, 2019 @06:15PM (#19996569)
Manning jailed forever. Assange self imposed home arrest for last few years, probably will be jailed forever in US soon.

Can't really blame Snowden for staying in the one place on earth US can't buy or blackmail.

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by rootusrootus on Thursday May 23, 2019 @06:36PM (#19996706)
Manning hasn't really been jailed forever. She had her sentence commuted, and the recent legal trouble she finds herself in is entirely of her own creation, no?

IMO both Manning and Snowden have the weakest legal arguments, and Assange the strongest. I would personally have advised him to avoid taking sides in US politics, but he wasn't asking my opinion :). Playing in the big pond as a small fish is a dangerous game.

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by scotty79 on Thursday May 23, 2019 @07:53PM (#19997182)
> recent legal trouble she finds herself in is entirely of her own creation, no?

Only in a sense of "Stop hitting yourself!".

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by rootusrootus on Friday May 24, 2019 @12:41AM (#19998540)
Admittedly I'm not keeping close tabs on the case, but isn't the issue contempt of court? Could she stop the legal trouble by agreeing to testify?
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by scotty79 on Friday May 24, 2019 @04:12AM (#19999495)
"We don't say you commited any crime but either you speak or we'll hold you jailed indefinitely."

That doesn't sound like a first world democratic country. Yet it is.

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by lmm on Friday May 24, 2019 @08:38AM (#20000806)
On the contrary, it's perfectly normal in much of the first world. You are required to testify and jailed in contempt if you don't. The 5th is a US peculiarity.
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by scotty79 on Friday May 24, 2019 @11:58AM (#20002859)
Jailed indefinitely?

In my country it's 30 days tops. Not sure if you can be sentenced more than once for the same thing.

Also you can refuse to answer any question that might incriminate you, your family or your loved one without any punishment.

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by lmm on Friday May 24, 2019 @12:07PM (#20002950)
Yes, that's how contempt of court tends to work: you are jailed until you do the thing the court demands.
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by alexis_read on Friday May 24, 2019 @03:48AM (#19999370)
I believe it's to testify against Assange, which she has decided not to do as Assange's case is a legal grey area to say the least.

I wouldn't say it's Manning's choice so much as a 'testify if you want to get out' Hobson's choice.

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by dTal on Saturday May 25, 2019 @11:57AM (#20009686)
>Can't really blame Snowden for staying in one place after the US canceled his passport mid-air.

ftfy

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by dragonwriter on Friday May 24, 2019 @10:01AM (#20001554)
> Manning jailed forever

No, just until she either testifies as legally required or the term of the grand jury expires.

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by leeoniya on Thursday May 23, 2019 @06:33PM (#19996687)
> Manning jailed forever.

in case you missed it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commute...

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by dpwm on Thursday May 23, 2019 @07:01PM (#19996886)
> in case you missed it:

In case you missed it, she's currently in jail. [0] [1]

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/08/chelsea-mann...

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/16/chelsea-mann...

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by manfredo on Thursday May 23, 2019 @08:00PM (#19997220)
She's in jail for refusing to testify to a grand jury. This is not directly part of the leak.
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by wolco on Thursday May 23, 2019 @08:47PM (#19997461)
This is related to the leak. She won't testify to the details of how Assange helped her.
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by rootusrootus on Friday May 24, 2019 @12:45AM (#19998564)
Unless I'm missing something, that means her continued incarceration is by her own choice.
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by scotty79 on Friday May 24, 2019 @04:13AM (#19999501)
"We don't say you commited any crime but either you speak or we'll hold you jailed indefinitely."

That doesn't sound like a first world democratic country. Yet it is.

Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by manfredo on Sunday May 26, 2019 @07:54PM (#20018415)
I'm not sure why you seem to think so. The government does have the ability to force people to testify - just so long as it doesn't force people to incriminate themselves with that testimony. Just like how you get imprisoned for skipping jury duty, you can get held in contempt of court for refusing to testify to a grand jury.
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by k_sh on Thursday May 23, 2019 @08:43PM (#19997442)
Yes, refusing to testify to the grand jury... in the WikiLeaks case.
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by maxlybbert on Friday May 24, 2019 @09:11AM (#20001053)
She was released when the last grand jury ran out of time. A new grand jury was called, she refused to appear before it and was put back in jail. Presumably there’s an upper limit on how long she can be in jail (this grand jury also has a time limit, plus once Assange’s trial gets far enough along, there won’t be any point to demand that she appear before the grand jury).
Re:Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amend... by dragonwriter on Friday May 24, 2019 @09:59AM (#20001530)
> Presumably there’s an upper limit on how long she can be in jail (this grand jury also has a time limit, plus once Assange’s trial gets far enough along, there won’t be any point to demand that she appear before the grand jury).

That's the limit on civil contempt, but there's no reason she couldn't then be charged with criminal contempt and imprisoned for that.