Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by rando444 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:22PM
(#19974506)
That was an extremely difficult read.
Especially part with the moderators of these forums encouraging the parents to up the dosage of poison in response to photos of their children's medical issues brought on after they started 'treatment'.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by fzeroracer on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:46PM
(#19974797)
Is there a reason why this was flagged?
I'm a bit incredulous here, because topics discussing how YouTube censors people (even tangentially) can spark a massive discussion which isn't flagged and buried, but ones about the harms of some conspiracies spread on YouTube seem to be buried immediately.
If HN wants to really be a site that advocates for intellectual curiosity and sunlight being the best disinfectant, then harmful and anti-scientific beliefs should be exposed, discussed and challenged.
Battling "harmful and anti-scientific beliefs" may be an important thing to do, but it isn't about curiosity, and frankly it brings out shallow comments and ugly sentiments in internet forums.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by zelon88 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:46PM
(#19974790)
If a girl can go to jail for texting her depressed boyfriend encouragement to commit suicide, why can't we throw these fraudsters in jail for manipulating stupid people?
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by bitwize on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:56PM
(#19974923)
I don't know, but somehow I think deliberately tricking people into doing things that directly cause physical harm to themselves falls on the illegal side of that line.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by lez on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @05:01PM
(#19974985)
I'm quite sure the girl was not deliberately wanting his ex to die. The "I'll kill myself if you leave me" kind of emotional blackmailing is just too common among hurt exes.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by zelon88 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @05:47PM
(#19975429)
Good question, but I think it's safe to take one of the largest Sharpies at OfficeMax and draw a solid black line right before telling autistic kids to drink bleach.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by bitwize on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:19PM
(#19974469)
Oh, this is Miracle Mineral Solution. I've heard of this disgusting quackery for years and years. I'm surprised YouTube is getting around to this just now. They need to read more Respectful Insolence at the Goog.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by dragontamer on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @05:09PM
(#19975076)
There's also a conspiracy theory going around that drinking Hydrogen Peroxide is healthy for the body. Uggghhh...
People who fail at basic chemistry and biology need to shut the hell up before people die. Its called "Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide" because you use it to clean food. Not because you can drink it.
Hydrogen Peroxide is so reactive that it will (eventually) turn into water. the H2O2... the extra "O"... will bubble away under natural conditions.
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Anyway, I should be surprised that people are literally drinking bleach. But... I'm not... because I'm still jaded from learning about the H2O2 guys. In fact, Hydrogen Peroxide was historically considered a bleach.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by tombert on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:31PM
(#19974613)
I remember hearing about MMS from a Myles Power video a few years ago, and I honestly didn't realize (initially) that anyone took it seriously. It's really sad that this is the natural conclusion to selling industrial bleach snake-oil.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by tombert on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @05:10PM
(#19975089)
MMS (Chlorine dioxide) is indisputably and unambiguously a bleach. This is not up for debate without rejecting the whole of chemistry.
Just like the Clorox you would be at a store, it has the same abilities to whiten, and is used in industry regularly to bleach wood, amongst other things.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by ealfert on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @08:46AM
(#19980536)
Instead of funny, your link provided the answer to a previous post that asked how MMS made money and what their motivation may be.
"These 'ropeworms' are often discussed, with images shared and claimed as evidence of successful detoxing, on autism forums and Facebook groups, where bleach enemas (for example MMS) are falsely claimed to cure autism.[6] In one group, 8500 members have allegedly been charged $60 to join, half a million dollars combined, leading to questioning of the leaders' intentions."
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by fzeroracer on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:33PM
(#19974626)
I think it's fair to establish the following:
1. Kids are unable to defend themselves from their parents, especially ones that need additional care.
2. Forcing kids to drink poison constitutes child abuse.
3. YouTube should not recommend videos which advocate for child abuse.
It seems like every time there's parents doing something that constitutes literal child abuse as a result of incredibly dangerous videos, there comes people more concerned about the slippery slope logical fallacy than the parents committing child abuse and the people perpetuating it.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by fwip on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:38PM
(#19974696)
Heaven forbid somebody get emotional about parents literally poisoning their children. Being emotionally affected by senseless deaths means you can't be right that it's bad, don'cha know.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by dictum on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:49PM
(#19974839)
I'd give more weight to the combat speech with more speech attitude of giving a rational, well researched response to claims like the one described in the article if those claims were spread, through the populace, in an equally rational and non-emotional tone.
Incidentally, the most effective and least abstract arguments against murder and genocide are based on emotions — leaving them aside, you're left with assigning a worth to the lives taken.
Re:Two dead after YouTube conspiracy video claims drinking b...
by tombert on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:48PM
(#19974823)
Ugh, I am so tired of people making this argument every single time something horrible happens and people suggest, you know, DOING something about it.
First off, they don't have to censor, they could just stop recommending these videos, and that would help a lot.
Second, if you seriously can't see why a for-profit corporation restricting content that literally leads to children being poisoned and dying isn't anywhere near Orwellian, then I am afraid that we have nothing further to discuss.
Especially part with the moderators of these forums encouraging the parents to up the dosage of poison in response to photos of their children's medical issues brought on after they started 'treatment'.
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/18/bleach-miracle...
I'm a bit incredulous here, because topics discussing how YouTube censors people (even tangentially) can spark a massive discussion which isn't flagged and buried, but ones about the harms of some conspiracies spread on YouTube seem to be buried immediately.
If HN wants to really be a site that advocates for intellectual curiosity and sunlight being the best disinfectant, then harmful and anti-scientific beliefs should be exposed, discussed and challenged.
Battling "harmful and anti-scientific beliefs" may be an important thing to do, but it isn't about curiosity, and frankly it brings out shallow comments and ugly sentiments in internet forums.
I don't see anything particularly off topic here, or obviously wrong.
People who fail at basic chemistry and biology need to shut the hell up before people die. Its called "Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide" because you use it to clean food. Not because you can drink it.
Hydrogen Peroxide is so reactive that it will (eventually) turn into water. the H2O2... the extra "O"... will bubble away under natural conditions.
--------
Anyway, I should be surprised that people are literally drinking bleach. But... I'm not... because I'm still jaded from learning about the H2O2 guys. In fact, Hydrogen Peroxide was historically considered a bleach.
Just like the Clorox you would be at a store, it has the same abilities to whiten, and is used in industry regularly to bleach wood, amongst other things.
Murder 1 maybe?
This is just too funny to be true.
"These 'ropeworms' are often discussed, with images shared and claimed as evidence of successful detoxing, on autism forums and Facebook groups, where bleach enemas (for example MMS) are falsely claimed to cure autism.[6] In one group, 8500 members have allegedly been charged $60 to join, half a million dollars combined, leading to questioning of the leaders' intentions."
Somewhere before "actively recommending people feed their kids poison," I should hope.
1. Kids are unable to defend themselves from their parents, especially ones that need additional care.
2. Forcing kids to drink poison constitutes child abuse.
3. YouTube should not recommend videos which advocate for child abuse.
It seems like every time there's parents doing something that constitutes literal child abuse as a result of incredibly dangerous videos, there comes people more concerned about the slippery slope logical fallacy than the parents committing child abuse and the people perpetuating it.
Incidentally, the most effective and least abstract arguments against murder and genocide are based on emotions — leaving them aside, you're left with assigning a worth to the lives taken.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
First off, they don't have to censor, they could just stop recommending these videos, and that would help a lot.
Second, if you seriously can't see why a for-profit corporation restricting content that literally leads to children being poisoned and dying isn't anywhere near Orwellian, then I am afraid that we have nothing further to discuss.