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Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by fwip on Thursday May 16, 2019 @10:52PM (#19935807)
What is SWIM?
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by PhasmaFelis on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:03PM (#19935850)
For some while (maybe still), there was a common belief that talking about your drug experiences online couldn't be used against you in court if you pretended it was someone else. This could be done semi-convincingly if you talked about, say, your "roommate" using drugs, but pretty quickly people started saying shit like "my cat" or "someone who isn't me" and, finally, abbreviated that to "SWIM." Like, "SWIM wants to know where to buy LSD in Seattle." Yeah.

At least some forums are discouraging that now because it obviously won't hold up in court and provides a false sense of security, but I imagine some people are still attached to it.

Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by paulie_a on Friday May 17, 2019 @01:59AM (#19936691)
That is similar to the stupid IANAL preface people insist on including. Quite frankly you can literally make a post stating you are a lawyer and the following is legal advice and there would not be a single repercussion.
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by lxgr on Friday May 17, 2019 @03:48AM (#19937287)
I always assumed that preface to mean "I'm not a lawyer, please check with one before _you_ get into trouble", more so than "I'm not a lawyer, here's my opinion and don't sue _me_ over it".
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by dsr_ on Friday May 17, 2019 @06:44AM (#19938228)
Having talked to lawyers about this -- what they end up saying is "I am a lawyer, but I am not your lawyer and me giving you this informal bit of information does not constitute the formation of a privileged relationship. I'm not working for you. Also, I haven't done any particular research for you and this is just based on my general experience."

And then they typically shorten the whole thing to "I think you should talk to a lawyer."

Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by TeMPOraL on Friday May 17, 2019 @07:02AM (#19938320)
I think pretending to be a lawyer (or a doctor) could actually land you in a world of legal hurt - that's one of the features of licensed professions.

(IANAL though, check with your local laws and all.)

Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by Y_Y on Friday May 17, 2019 @01:00PM (#19941440)
There's fraudently practicing as a doctor, and there's posting bullshit on a website about bullshit. And I'd know, I'm a lawyer and a doctor.
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by PhasmaFelis on Friday May 17, 2019 @10:57AM (#19940190)
That's not why people say "I am not a lawyer."
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by paulie_a on Sunday May 19, 2019 @09:52AM (#19953274)
why do they?
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by PhasmaFelis on Sunday May 19, 2019 @10:17PM (#19957034)
Usually, it means "I believe this is accurate, but you should check with an expert before doing anything that might have consequences."

It's not about covering your ass, it's about trying to be a decent guy and not accidentally mislead people.

Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by danieltillett on Friday May 17, 2019 @02:09AM (#19936727)
This sounds like legal advice - are you a lawyer :)
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by valtism on Friday May 17, 2019 @12:48AM (#19936397)
It's the same as those who believe that if you ask the person selling you weed if they are police, they are under obligation by law to tell you so.

They are not.

Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by fastball on Friday May 17, 2019 @01:13AM (#19936521)
Eh, not really the same.

Cops are demonstrably not required to tell you they are cops. The idea that they need to was always ridiculous misinformation.

Meanwhile, as far as I'm aware, SWIM has not been the lynchpin in a court case yet, so it's hard to say one way or the other if using it as legal cover is actually a gross misconception.

Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by PhasmaFelis on Friday May 17, 2019 @10:56AM (#19940183)
It's a lot like the freemen-on-the-land folks. People think, against all evidence, that the law is a mindless machine, a slave to its inputs, unaffected by the human beings who actually administer it. They think you can hack the law by saying the right magic words, like Captain Kirk crashing an evil computer by saying "this sentence is false."

It doesn't work that way. If you try to buy 50 grams of coke off an undercover cop, no jury on earth is going to believe that you thought you were buying Coca-Cola. You're not going to get away with using a slang term universally understood to mean "me" and claiming it meant "someone else," either.

Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by amelius on Friday May 17, 2019 @05:13AM (#19937722)
How about "I will sell it to you only if your life depends on it"?
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by PhasmaFelis on Sunday May 19, 2019 @10:18PM (#19957036)
What would that accomplish?
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by azimuth11 on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:01PM (#19935838)
“Someone who isn’t me”, a term used when discussing something (usually illegal) the poster did or has experience with, but is using this term to hide that fact.
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by senorjazz on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:35AM (#19938888)
An annoying term that has no meaning and is completely pointless and would have no bearing in a court of law at all and everyone knows what you are saying is "I"
Re:Can we all stop using Medium now? by xkcd-sucks on Thursday May 16, 2019 @10:58PM (#19935826)
"Someone Who Isn't Me"