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Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by enraged_camel on Thursday May 16, 2019 @06:49PM (#19934246)
>>I don’t know why my family should be punished because my wife and I worked our asses off to get ahead.

Just to offer some general commentary, I think this mentality is probably the root of most of our social ills: people see everything as a "race" and they work hard to "get ahead", and they therefore get angry at policies that attempt to even the playing field because it might help others "catch up".

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by brankoB on Thursday May 16, 2019 @06:58PM (#19934311)
It's not an anger at helping others catch up, but an anger at pulling people back. We can help people who are behind without sacrificing the people who are already ahead.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by berbec on Thursday May 16, 2019 @07:10PM (#19934395)
Isn't it both? There are only X spots per school. Every person being helped up and admitted is someone being pulled back and denied. I have no opinion on this debate, but school admissions are a zero-sum-game, afaik.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by brankoB on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:10PM (#19935882)
In terms of school admissions I would agree. In terms of society in general however i'm not entirely convinced that it's a zero sum game.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by CydeWeys on Friday May 17, 2019 @06:07AM (#19938022)
Colleges aren't a zero sum game. The more qualified college goers there are over time, the more total college spots will be available. It's not like the number of universities (and the size of each) is some fixed constant. The entire pie can be, and is, grown.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by Dylan16807 on Friday May 17, 2019 @02:40AM (#19936871)
Oh in terms of something like money, taking X dollars from the richest and using it to help the poorest is extremely positive sum.

This might be true for college admissions too, if you're flush with opportunities you're still ahead if you lose one.

But there's still an aspect of "pulling people back". It's a hard tradeoff to design. But if you do it right you really can make something with better outcomes and more fairness, even if some will call it an abomination.

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by enraged_camel on Thursday May 16, 2019 @07:54PM (#19934689)
>>We can help people who are behind without sacrificing the people who are already ahead.

Again, the problem is you are viewing the world through a certain lens, where people are "ahead" or "behind".

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by brankoB on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:07PM (#19935870)
Oh I see now, I totally misinterpreted your comment, sorry.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by snaggletooth on Friday May 17, 2019 @02:14AM (#19936755)
To be fair, this is kind of impressed on people when so many are judged by the name of the school on their diploma or a score they received in the first quarter of their life. There's no guarantee a Harvard accepted child will have a happier life than someone "destined" to be a fast food cashier, but when we pressure young kids with so much judgment before they even experience life, it feels like a race from the start.

Couple this with the lack of class mobility and sometimes people feel participating in that race was the only way to control your future.

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by tropo on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:26PM (#19935975)
I'm sure it is the root of many social ills, but the alternative is the root of many more social ills. The competitive struggle is what drives people to be productive. Without that, people don't attempt very much. Attempts to level the playing field cause widespread corruption as people evade the restrictions on competition. The lack of productivity is then fixed by the use of force.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by hnaccy on Thursday May 16, 2019 @07:04PM (#19934352)
Sorry I don't want to live in Harrison Bergeron world.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by bdowling on Friday May 17, 2019 @01:37AM (#19936615)