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Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by xienze on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:44PM (#19931709)
None of that’s going to make any difference. Let’s be real here, it’s going to be based on race alone (and perhaps being gay or trans). White or Asian? You don’t suffer any adversity. Black or Hispanic? Congratulations, your score just improved by 200 points.

This just sounds like the SAT board doing what school admissions boards already do: decreasing or increasing scores based on race.

https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-rac...

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by didgeoridoo on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:54PM (#19931843)
How would you reliably capture race, or sexual orientation, or gender identification — or even income — on a self-reported metric with no third-party validation? They aren't talking about sending the College Board your tax returns.

Realistically, this will be based on ZIP code and registered high school. Information that's already publicly-available. This changes nothing except potentially making neighborhood-level affirmative action more politically palatable.

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by xienze on Thursday May 16, 2019 @03:02PM (#19931918)
Sexual orientation, yeah they might not be able to get that one. But here's the factors they're using: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1129009648214921216

I do believe with just a few pieces of the information they're taking into consideration (namely, neighborhood, if you have a single parent, and if you're ESL [not sure if they're talking about the child being ESL or the parents]) you could reliably determine if the child is black or Hispanic and therefore worthy of an adversity score boost. Everyone else, get stuffed. They may also be making a big show of using these factors that "technically" don't identify the test taker's race and instead are just disregarding them and relying solely on the self-reported racial information provided when taking the test. Who knows? But I highly doubt you'll find a lot of poor white kids in West Virginia getting boosted scores via this scheme.

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by scott_s on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:05PM (#19933212)
> But I highly doubt you'll find a lot of poor white kids in West Virginia getting boosted scores via this scheme.

That is exactly what I expect to happen - as well as poor kids who happen to belong to racial minorities. The College Board published the criteria they will use to calculate the score. Race is not one of the criteria. But you're saying that race will not only be used, but be the primary criteria. So, let's be clear: you're saying the College Board is lying. Which, I can't prove they are not, but I'm inclined to trust them over your claims.

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by Meekro on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:49PM (#19933707)
Just to nitpick a bit, race is one of the optional criteria. The school decides whether they want the College Board to include it.

"The program aimed to measure the challenges students faced. It created an expected SAT score based on socioeconomic factors including, if schools chose to add it, race." [1]

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/sat-to-give-students-adversity-...

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by brlewis on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:42PM (#19933635)
Can you please link to the College Board's list of criteria? In the article I could only find two examples out of 15.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by nostrademons on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:52PM (#19933742)
Been posted a couple times in subthreads here, including the grandparent-post:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1129009648214921216

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sat-adversity-score-college-boa...

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by brlewis on Thursday May 16, 2019 @06:01PM (#19933843)
Thanks. CBS seems much better than the NYT on this.

Quote:

These factors are first divided into three categories: neighborhood environment, family environment and high school environment.

Each of the three categories has five sub-indicators that are indexed in calculating each student's adversity score. Neighborhood environment will take into account crime rate, poverty rate, housing values and vacancy rate. Family environment will assess what the median income is of where the student's family is from; whether the student is from a single parent household; the educational level of the parents; and whether English is a second language. High school environment will look at factors such as curriculum rigor, free-lunch rate and AP class opportunities. Together these factors will calculate an individual's adversity score on a scale of one to 100.

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by didgeoridoo on Thursday May 16, 2019 @03:07PM (#19931989)
Thanks for the link. I would honestly be quite astounded if they were using individual-level reporting instead of using public data captured at the census tract level. Do you have any information about where the "family-level" data are coming from?
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by layoutIfNeeded on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:49PM (#19931783)
How do they determine one’s race in the US? Is there a central database where everyone gets a record at birth? Otherwise what stops me from reporting myself as black?
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by mcphage on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:51PM (#19931811)
Nothing, although if colleges accepted you under the assumption that you reported who you were honestly, and then later found out that you weren’t who you claimed to be, you might find your acceptances revoked.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by prepend on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:15PM (#19933321)
Probably not. I remember a story of someone who did this [0] and nothing happened.

I can only imagine the terrifyingly embarrassing situations where people of a race are challenged to prove their race and flip out because they are their race.

[0] https://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains...

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by layoutIfNeeded on Thursday May 16, 2019 @02:58PM (#19931876)
How would they find out my race? Based on the looks? So they would count Michael Jackson as “white”? What if a person looks white but has black ancestors?
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by mcphage on Thursday May 16, 2019 @04:15PM (#19932689)
If you apply for a scholarship based on your heritage, how do they decide if you qualify?
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by knolax on Thursday May 16, 2019 @06:42PM (#19934195)
The Census collects racial information that most people answer with responses they believe to be truthful. IIRC in WW2 it was used to identify Japanese-Americans for internment.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by azeotropic on Thursday May 16, 2019 @06:45PM (#19934216)