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Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:19AM (#19927390)
AFAIK the "jet" in classical jet engines is a jet of air. Unlike rocket engine, where hot combustion gases are your reaction mass, jet engines in aircraft use fuel primarily to spin turbines that compress and move air from the front of the engine to the back of it. You don't need combustible fuel to spin turbines - you can do that with electricity too.
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by dTal on Thursday May 16, 2019 @07:57AM (#19928098)
Nitpick: a turbine extracts power from a moving fluid. A fan (or impeller) imparts power to a fluid. A traditional jet engine contains both components, which is why they are sometimes referred to as "gas turbines". In an electric jet, there are no turbines and the proper term is "ducted fan" or "electric ducted fan (EDF)".
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by arethuza on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:31AM (#19927456)
You can also use any convenient source of heat - e.g. a nuclear reactor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion

Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by jl2718 on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:07AM (#19929695)
Wow, the 50s were so awesome! This is the kind of thing I wanted to do when I studied engineering. Would anybody else rather make nuclear-powered jets than web sites?
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by silversconfused on Thursday May 16, 2019 @12:18PM (#19930336)
Oh hell yeah I would, but I sleep better knowing most of YOU ALL are making websites instead of nuke-drones. :P
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by DuskStar on Thursday May 16, 2019 @01:43PM (#19931097)
Pretty sure everyone - including the people who worked on it - is happy that Project Pluto [0] / SLAM [1] never flew. Despite how awesome the projects were.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missil...

Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by Wildgoose on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:23AM (#19927411)
Yes, thanks - I've just been looking that up. For some reason I'd never really thought about what was involved.
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 16, 2019 @05:48AM (#19927541)
Me neither - I learned this on HN many years ago, so I'm just passing it forward :).
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by ClassyJacket on Thursday May 16, 2019 @06:05AM (#19927602)
Isn't that also what a propeller does?
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by dTal on Thursday May 16, 2019 @08:33AM (#19928315)
A propellor turns shaft torque into air momentum. You need some kind of motor to drive it.

A ducted fan also does this, though its aerodynamics are a bit different. Like a propellor, there is little compression.

A 'turbine' turns flow into torque.

A traditional jet engine turns fuel into torque with a compressor and a turbine. Confusingly it's sometimes called a 'gas turbine'. It also incidentally moves air, but not very efficiently.

A turboprop drives a propellor with a 'gas turbine'.

A modern 'high bypass' jet engine (or "turbofan") drives a ducted fan with a 'gas turbine'.

An 'electric jet' drives a ducted fan with an electric motor. No turbine is involved.

Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by jansan on Thursday May 16, 2019 @08:35AM (#19928335)
These definitions better be correct, becaus I will use your post as a reference from now :)
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by moonrobin on Thursday May 16, 2019 @06:16AM (#19927646)
IANAAE (I Am Not An Aerospace Engineer), but I think the key difference here is the compression that happens with turbines as opposed to propellers which only move the air.
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by larkeith on Thursday May 16, 2019 @07:09AM (#19927850)
I've always wondered what exactly differs a jet from a ducted fan - this makes a lot of sense, thank you!
Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by dTal on Thursday May 16, 2019 @08:16AM (#19928207)
Modern "high bypass" jet engines are actually ducted fans, with the shaft powered by a "gas turbine" whose role is mostly to provide torque. All propulsion units compress the air to some extent, even propellers - if they didn't, they would be silent. However, in a gas turbine, the function of the "compressor stage" (which is NOT the "turbine" part) is to get a lot of oxygen in one place, where it can be combined with a lot of fuel, which makes it very hot, which causes it to adiabatically expand a lot, driving the turbine at the back (this is what a 'turbine' does - extract power). If the air weren't compressed, you wouldn't be able to burn much fuel with it, and it wouldn't get so hot and expand so much. (By the way, this is the same reason for superchargers and turbochargers in piston engines. More air = more fuel = more heat and expansion)

This process isn't actually very efficient at moving air though, which is why gas turbines are now mostly used to power ducted fans, propellors, and helicopter rotors.

Re:Lilium unveils five-seater air taxi prototype after a suc... by semi-extrinsic on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:53AM (#19930123)
In a propeller aircraft, basically you waste the energy left in your exhaust gas. But in a turbojet you make some use of it.

Also there is the distinction between just propeller, a turboprop, a turbojet and a turbofan. What we call jet airliners are typically high bypass turbofans. Turbojets (without bypass) have low efficiency at subsonic speeds, but they were used on Concorde and on fighter aircraft.