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Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by y4mi on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:29AM (#19878041)
If you're connected to a VPN, install pi-hole on that network and use it as dns.

If not, just get blokada from f-droid. It uses 1-3% energy over the day on my phone, but saves around 15% by filtering ads

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by bryanlarsen on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:35AM (#19878112)
Or just switch to Firefox on Android and use uBlock Origin or similar.
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by kermitismyhero on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:10AM (#19878495)
The recent extension-disabling problem made me realize how awful the unfiltered web is. Trying to use mobile Chrome for the first time ever was a dreadful experience. I legitimately had no idea that mobile Chrome doesn't have any extension capability whatsoever. I always assumed it was a Firefox-style unified experience where the same desktop extensions worked on mobile. I was horrified to discover otherwise.

Ads ads ads everywhere. How do people actually live day-to-day with mobile browsers that have no true adblocking capability? Using mobile Chrome is like taking a stroll through a plague ward.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by Wowfunhappy on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:56PM (#19881646)
I don’t use an Adblocker due to ethical concerns. (Not trying to convince you to do the same, just explaining.)

It’s, uh, really not that bad. I rarely notice banner ads and the like. If a particular site gets really egrigious, I leave the site.

I suspect that after using Adblock for years, your brain has forgotten how to ignore them.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by ppseafield on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:13PM (#19881770)
I've had a similar experience as the GP, and I find it awful that autoplay videos will follow you around the page, pop-up modals will interrupt you in the middle of reading something, and ads will take up 40% or more of the page, loading between paragraphs while reading. It's hugely distracting to me.

We could make the same argument: you've spend years without adblock, and they have worn you down to the point where you accept active mental blocking of highly distracting ads. And even then you say sometimes it's bad enough for you to leave the site.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by Goronmon on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:02PM (#19882200)
I've had a similar experience as the GP, and I find it awful that autoplay videos will follow you around the page, pop-up modals will interrupt you in the middle of reading something, and ads will take up 40% or more of the page, loading between paragraphs while reading. It's hugely distracting to me.

Why would you ever spend time on a site that did these things? Even if you have an adblocker, why would you use such a site on purpose?

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by ppseafield on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:18PM (#19882799)
You don't always know what a link is going to serve you before you go there.
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by Wowfunhappy on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:44PM (#19882968)
And if the page served is unreadable, you immediately hit the back button and move on. :)
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by benterris on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:47PM (#19882984)
> It’s, uh, really not that bad.

I guess you got used to it. I also had the chance to re-discover how many ads are everywhere on the web thanks to firefox addons outage, and I was very surprised. Honestly, smartphones screen are already quite small (even more when the keyboard pops out) and with all the ads the actual useful surface of the screen gets ridiculously tiny.

I couldn't imagine that chrome on mobile doesn't have an way to block ads, and still has such a huge user base.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by yellowapple on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:12PM (#19881766)
My brain shouldn't have to ignore them, though; that's what technology's for :)
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by kermitismyhero on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:21PM (#19882824)
Exactly. Technology exists to solve problems. One of the greatest problems in today's world is the metaphorical tsunami of advertising sewage flooding our mental shorelines. Browser-based adblockers neatly solve that problem.

As for the "But how do we pay for all these free things then?" counterargument, I'd suggest voluntary restraint on the part of website creators. I can live with a few modest JPEG-only banner ads hosted directly from the site I'm visiting. If a site promises to not use animated images, streaming video, streaming audio, any sort of trackers, any sort of third-party content, and if they keep the screen-real-estate ratio of ads to content relatively low, then I'll whitelist them in a heartbeat.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by Wowfunhappy on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:43PM (#19882963)
> If a site promises to not use animated images, streaming video, streaming audio, any sort of trackers, any sort of third-party content, and if they keep the screen-real-estate ratio of ads to content relatively low, then I'll whitelist them in a heartbeat.

I just don't think this is a workable model for most users. "You want me to do extra work so I can see some (admittedly nonintrusive) ads? No way, figure out your own business." Honestly, if I started using an adblocker I'm not sure I could force myself to make that effort per website.

I really wish uBlock Origin at least had the option to enable a blacklist model—ie, no sites ever have their ads blocked by default, but as soon as a site annoys me, I can go into my adblocker and disable their ads.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by kermitismyhero on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:20PM (#19883185)
>I really wish uBlock Origin at least had the option to enable a blacklist model

It effectively does have this capability. Just disable all the standard filter lists, and manually add one's own entries to the "my filters" section.

This method has the added benefit of enabling other useful privacy features that don't directly relate to display advertising, like killing off the nastiness of hyperlink auditing, CSP reports going to 3rd parties, prefetching, and remote fonts.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by Wowfunhappy on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:16PM (#19883827)
Is this per the ad network / server, or per domain like the whitelist? I would have assumed the former, but if it works like the whitelist that's great!
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by MrMorden on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:07PM (#19883778)
It's not so much ads being annoying as ads completely blocking the content. A lot of sites are completely unusable on a phone; a malicious ad redirects the browser to a scam almost immediately. That's how looking at a link from the Facebook application works, but opening it in Brave gets you the site you want minus malvertising.
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by Goronmon on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:08PM (#19882239)
It’s, uh, really not that bad. I rarely notice banner ads and the like. If a particular site gets really egrigious, I leave the site.

Yeah, I never understood why people purposefully visit sites full of ads and then complain that the sites they visit are full of ads. It seems like a pretty simple problem to solve. And yet, even among the tech crowd, people seem to struggle with it constantly.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by neiman on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:00PM (#19882666)
What you notice is a really subjective argument. I notice ads, even "small" ones; they distract my attention, and annoy me.

I'd wish I had your ability to "rarely notice banner ads", but I don't, so I complain.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by hughw on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:06PM (#19884275)
To be truly ethical, you must watch the ads.
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by Wowfunhappy on Saturday May 11, 2019 @01:14AM (#19884685)
The way I see it, without an adblocker there is the potential that I will notice an ad. With an adblocker, that potential is completely gone. That's a big difference.

Again, not trying to convince anyone here, I just don't feel comfortable with it personally.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by oo0shiny on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:25PM (#19881355)
Or the Brave browser, which has ad blocking built in.
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by anon1m0us on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:03PM (#19881701)
Firefox on my phone crashes ALL the time. I can't load 3 web pages without it crashing. Is Android doing this on purpose? I just cannot get firefox mobile to work, sadly.
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by deckiedan on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:07PM (#19883120)
Counter data point: I've had it running with 100+ tabs open for at least 2 months now. Yes, it gets restarted when my phone does - or when I need the resources for something else, or doing updates, but it's working great. Motorola Moto G second gen, running LineageOS...
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by ChrisSD on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:15PM (#19882314)
This has not been my experience. I've been using Firefox for a while now with way too many tabs open and I've not encountered a crash. Or at least not one I remember. It could perhaps be some hardware it doesn't work well with? Or maybe it struggles with certain sites that I happen not to visit?

I hadn't heard of Fenix but it seems I'll have to try that soon.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by freedomben on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:31PM (#19882437)
I haven't used Firefox on Android in 6 months or so but it was pretty stable for me.

I switched to Brave for mobile and it is amazing. Super easy to block scripts and other tracking without hijacking your DNS or requiring ad blockers/pi-holes etc.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by orhmeh09 on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:35PM (#19881971)
Firefox Mobile is being phased out and replaced by Fenix; have you tried that?
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by richjdsmith on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:54PM (#19882136)
Wait what? Can you give me a source or further reading on this?
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by orhmeh09 on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:04PM (#19882216)
Here’s one, sorry I did not link before: https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-end-of-firefox-for-and...
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by giobox on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:03AM (#19878442)
It’s a real shame you still can’t install a third party content blocker easily in the default browser on Android. Setup a VPN and PiHole for sure works, but my goodness what a lot of effort when simpler approaches exist, even on Safari on iOS... I’m aware other browsers exist that can do this, but this basically forces me to use a different browser on my phone versus my desktop.

Such is the reality of using an OS made by an advertising firm I guess.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by amenod on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:18PM (#19880651)
Fortunately on Android you at least can install another browser - Firefox. Works great - well, most of the time... but using it for a day without extensions makes me appreciate it even more.

EDIT: and there is no reason to use a different browser on the phone and desktop, Firefox is available on desktop too. :P

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by r3bl on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:36PM (#19881467)
I know it sounds complicated, but it's a one-step process that only increases to pay off the more devices are connected.

I used to have four adblockers on my laptop (two operating systems x 2 browsers), one on my smartphone, one on an additional smartphone I use... and how do I stop my TV and my ebook reader from serving me ads?

Pi-hole requires little to no maintenance, and offers a lot of benefit. Two people have purchased their first Raspberry Pis after I've slipped in "oh and BTW, no ads will load while you're connected to this network" after giving them a WiFi password.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by beanland on Friday May 10, 2019 @08:39PM (#19883641)
Are there any DNS servers on the public Internet that work similarly?
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by y4mi on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:38PM (#19880842)
That's why I pointed out the second option (blokada). It's just a matter of installing it and you've got Android wide adblock, which mostly works even in non-website contexts

But it doesn't work if you're using a VPN... So it's an either pi-hole or blokada situation

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by sinancan2 on Saturday May 11, 2019 @04:30PM (#19888211)
Check out the "MACE" function of Private Internet Access VPN as well. It may work out well. I've recently started it on desktop and mobile, and disabled any other blockers. There may be other VPNs with similar functions but I don't know yet.

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/helpdesk/kb/articles/w...

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by brlewis on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:31PM (#19882435)
>forces me to use a different browser on my phone versus my desktop

Firefox has a desktop version too. Works well.

Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by pkaye on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:37PM (#19881479)
Why not install another browser on Android like Firefox? You can even change the system default.
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by dogecoinbase on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:22PM (#19880688)
This is why Google is pushing DNS-over-HTTPS into Chrome, so that DNS-based ad blocking will no longer work.
Re:Google launches new “portal” HTML element by andrewshadura on Saturday May 11, 2019 @04:05PM (#19888110)
Alternatively, it may become easier to set it up.