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Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by graeme on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @12:44PM (#19860589)
I got a laseregg 2, and highly recommend it or a similar monitor. It's been very eye opening to see how various scenarios affect air pollution:

* frying indoors generally swiftly puts things in the unsafe range. Especially if it led to browning.

* a neighbour's bbq would do the same if the window was open

* idling truck on the street for construction? Unsafe range

* surprisingly, the toaster would raise levels if it was on high enough to brown toast

Really helped me make better decisions about when to open/shut windows and how to cook.

I got the laseregg after reading reviews of air quality monitors used in china. Apparently it holds up well to specialized lab sensors. It has a battery and can be moved around

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by salex89 on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @02:40PM (#19861689)
I've recently borrowed a similar device, and this one also measures formaldehyde. To be honest I'm quite anguished by it, because I can't find any indoors object with formaldehyde concentration less than 0.1ppm, which is the "safe" (by some legal standards) margin. Only outside or in a room with a wide open window it comes down under. It's even borderline higher in buildings not recently renovated. I've tried researching how dangerous is 0.3ppm or such, or how to keep it under control, but no luck. All sources are very academic...
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by jly on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @04:29PM (#19862578)
0.1 ppm is quite a high indoor concentration of formaldehyde. Most homes will not air exposure levels this high.

Just for reference, NIOSH recommends 0.016 ppm as the max exposure limit for a workday. CARB recommends a max safe level of 0.05 ppm. WHO recommends max level of 0.08 ppm for 30 minutes, etc.

0.3 ppm is extremely high for chronic exposure.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by salex89 on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @05:18PM (#19863065)
The meter is this one: https://www.amazon.com/Air-Pollution-Formaldehyde-Detector-T...

After these words I'm seriously starting to doubt the correctness of the device. I can't believe I wasn't able to find any indoor location with a low enough concentration for below 0.1 ppm, or only outdoors. I mean, these are rooms where I, my colleagues, friends and family are non-stop, we should all be good as one by now with those concentrations.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by jly on Thursday May 09, 2019 @10:14AM (#19868451)
Looking at the link, this device measures formaldehyde in mg/m3. You'll need to convert this to ppm, just FYI.

1 ppm in air = 1.24 mg/m3 @ 25° C

If you're measuring 0.1 on the meter, that's about 0.08ppm (still pretty high).

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by salex89 on Saturday May 11, 2019 @04:06PM (#19888112)
It can show the measurement in ppm also.

However, I've read the reviews and dug a bit deeper, talked to some people. Basically, that value might be elevated by some unknown amount, but the device should not be trusted for the absolute levels.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by jspash on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @03:01PM (#19861843)
I'm now curious enough to want to get one of the meters. The reason being that everyone at work swears by the new wave of "mattress to your door" mattresses that you can buy online. Buy I insisted on getting a "real" mattress filled made of cotton, wood and springs. I'm still looked at like a caveman because I didn't go for the extruded oil hipster mattress and would like to be vindicated by evidence from an impartial electronic device. If only for the rights to say "i told you so".

Equally if my so-called 100% natural mattress is giving of fumes, I'd like to know about it! Because I'm certain the living room furniture is doing so.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by jly on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @04:34PM (#19862631)
I was also curious, as an owner of a box mattress and laminate flooring.

I used https://acsbadge.com/ to do a highly-accurate one time test of my home and was happy with the results. Piece of mind to determine if you have a potential issue or not. They also give guidance on how to interpret the numbers and what 'safe' means (results are in ppm concentration accurate to 0.002 ppm).

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by mirkules on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @10:18PM (#19864810)
That’s interesting, but they have 133 badges. Which one did you use?
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by jly on Thursday May 09, 2019 @10:15AM (#19868456)
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by ip26 on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @03:11PM (#19861914)
Common sources of formaldehyde would be things like furniture, and another less obvious one would be air infiltration through your walls (picking the formaldehyde up from the engineered lumber) due to a depressurized home envelope (e.g. stack effect). When the house is depressurized enough to really draw in through the walls you should notice a puff of air when you crack a door.
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by graeme on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @03:49PM (#19862229)
What causes depressurized houses?
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by ip26 on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @03:51PM (#19862250)
Most often the stack effect (warmth in the house causes air to rise & leak out the attic which sucks in replacement air down low- like a chimney), but also potentially overpowered range hoods, bath fans, clothes dryers, open flue gas appliances, wood fireplaces, etc.
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by velosol on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @07:34PM (#19863982)
Incidentally this is why there are limits on range hood CFM without makeup air (and there are broader recommendations on overall house design from groups like ASHRAE for air quality management). There are also whole-house leak tests in some regulations, e.g. Title 24 in California.

Typically it's around 300CFM before you should consider a mechanical make-up air device (gravity activated or a makeup air fan tied to the hood activating).

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by graeme on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @03:06PM (#19861872)
What device measures formaldehyde?

I've ordered an awair, I think it does vocs but not sure it does them in any specificity.

And I think the only real solution is venting. Open a window. Other than identifying the source and removing it of course. But in many places I think it's wall materials, furniture, etc

Dhh had a talk on indoor air quality you may find useful.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by novok on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @07:01PM (#19863770)
There are many devices out there on amazon, since formaldehyde inside your house == bad is a chinese health meme where air meters will measure it specifically.

https://www.amazon.com/Air-Pollution-Formaldehyde-Detector-T...

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by jly on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @04:32PM (#19862609)
I am not aware of a consumer sensor that measures this accurately enough, but I'm also curious what is available.

I tested my home using a badge from this company: https://acsbadge.com/ They are not cheap ($60 for one test), but it's accurate to 2 ppb and will give you an idea what your chronic home exposure is and if changes are needed.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by winchling on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @02:20PM (#19861498)
>idling truck on the street for construction? Unsafe range

Or for ice cream sales -- next to a children's play area.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by clairity on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @03:30PM (#19862073)
i bought a wave-plus[0] on a whim, and it's also been eye-opening. it doesn't measure particulate matter directly, but has a VOC meter (and radon, which is their strength) that similarly spikes for all sorts of things, including closing the windows at night. it's battery-operated and connects to a phone app via bluetooth (which then can sync to their cloud dashboard if you choose).

i may buy a foobot[1] one day, as it was highly rated in recent studies on pm measurements, and has an api.

[0] https://www.airthings.com/wave-plus [1] https://foobot.io/

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by graeme on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @03:48PM (#19862220)
Re foobot, did you see this? https://mobile.twitter.com/dhh/status/928661125327069184

Airthings looks interesting. I'm curious to know of any reviews of their accuracy.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by clairity on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @04:21PM (#19862506)
thanks! i had not seen that particular tweet, though i'd heard dhh was into this stuff generally.

i'm a little less concerned about accurate co2 levels, since mitigation is straightforward (open a window). even imperfect co2 readings are good enough to signal when to open a window (around 800-1000 ppm, or ~2x ambient co2 levels).

voc's and particulate matter are more my nemesis, as my lungs are more sensitive to that stuff. beyond knowing generally how bad the air is, i'd like to be able to figure out what is causing the bad air and how to mitigate it. information there seems lacking right now.

i'd trust the radon sensor in the airthings more than the voc/co2 sensor, since radon is what they're known for. the voc/co2 sensor is probably the cheaper type used in most consumer air quality monitors, so it's good directionally but is not strictly accurate/precise.

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by graeme on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @04:51PM (#19862782)
Thanks! Got a link to that report you mentioned on the foobot, incidentally?
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by clairity on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @06:06PM (#19863446)
sure, this was a helpful less-scientific study: https://cleantechnica.com/2016/07/09/home-indoor-air-quality...

and this is the study that foobot themselves reference: https://cdn-foobot.pressidium.com/wp-content/themes/foobot/a...

Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by Rudebwoy10 on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @07:15PM (#19863853)
Definitely seen these studies. I think they are from a few years back though, so the relevance might be in question. I don't think the newer versions of laseregg, netatmo, awair, or any of the other leading brands are on there. What I love about that study (and find funny) are the A-F ratings. If you look at the averages... both foobot and awair have the same grades (2 As, 2 Bs, and a D), yet one of them gets an A and other gets a C.
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by Rudebwoy10 on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @04:57PM (#19862846)
For everything non-Radon, I'd trust Awair (http://getawair.com) honestly. I feel like I'm shilling for them at this point. Outside of DHH's recommendation, I read somewhere that their sensors are certified (plus their 2nd Edition does PM2.5 and CO2, unlike the foobot one). I've looked into smart things, but I'm not concerned about Radon, so wasn't going to pay the extra $75.
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by nsporillo on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @01:15PM (#19860950)
Seems like the laseregg 2+ at best detects PM2.5, but something like the PurpleAir sensor can detect PM1.0 for roughly the same cost. Have you or anyone else used it? I'm interested in purchasing one.
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by Forbo on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @01:28PM (#19861053)
Are there any of these types of devices that don't need to phone home or be connected to the Internet? The fewer "smart" devices I can have in my home the better.
Re:Air Pollution in Our Homes by graeme on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @01:29PM (#19861059)
Iirc the laseregg works fine with no connection. It can be connected, but isn't necessary.

My co2 sensors have no connection either: https://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-Autopilot-Desktop-Monitor-L...