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Re:Amazon Quits China Market by paganel on Monday April 22, 2019 @11:17AM (#19719535)
> Amazon has literally won everywhere else in the world

I've mentioned it in another comment, too, but Amazon is not present in my Eastern European country (Romania), where Alibaba beats them by a large margin (even though they're also not officially launched here). I've just done a quick search and it seems Amazon is not winning it in Russia either, nor in Ukraine, to say nothing of India. As such, to say that they are winning "everywhere else in the world" is not really true, they're only winning in North America and some Western European countries (too lazy to search what really happens in South America or Africa).

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by helloindia on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @01:03AM (#19725730)
As far as India is concerned, Amazon is definitely giving a strong competition to Flipkart(the Indian counterpart). For most people I know, Amazon is the first go-to store for any online purchase.

It's interesting to see, how Amazon will fare in near future, due to recent change to e-commerce law by Indian govt.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/05/amazon-how-india-ecommerce-l...

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by bad_user on Monday April 22, 2019 @11:45PM (#19725428)
I’m a Romanian. What do you mean Alibaba is beating Amazon in România?

I’d say that’s hyperbole. Neither of them are present here and if I were to guess judging by my own experience, I’d say that Amazon is still more popular.

Do you have hard numbers?

Of course neither of them hold a candle to the local eMag, but that’s only natural.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by paganel on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @01:16AM (#19725778)
It’s hard to get hard numbers on this but in my circle of acquaintances “you can find it on Alibaba” and variations of this has become almost like a noun, like “I’m going to make a Xerox (i.e. a photocopy) of this paper”. I’ve never heard anything similar concerning Amazon. My acquaintances are mostly non/tech people, 25 to 35 years of age, from Bucharest. Emag is of course a totally different beast but I had chose to ignore it because it didn’t directly concerned the article.

Slightly OT, I’m also curious how come no analyst is mentioning FB marketplace as a competitor to Amazon.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by product50 on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @01:08PM (#19730615)
I am not talking about literally every country in the world. But most countries that matter, in terms of the combination of their population and GDP, Amazon is there or nearly there in terms of being the top player in the market.
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by hbosch on Monday April 22, 2019 @10:55PM (#19725213)
I have heard from friends in Germany that EBay is much preferred to Amazon.de. Perhaps that isn’t the full truth, but something I found interesting.
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by derda on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @04:02AM (#19726491)
Also just a personal observation, but I don’t see many people using eBay anymore, maybe for some special niches (for example stuff you would find in a Home Depot is often better to get from ebay since it’s probably to large for amazons fulfillment anyways). But in general everyone here orders everything from amazon (if you look in the back of a delivery van it certainly looks like it). Only in fashion they do a very bad job, there is is Zalando all the way here.
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by nottorp on Monday April 22, 2019 @06:33PM (#19723714)
In Romania there's also the local emag, who's doing a pretty good job at filling Amazon's shoes and has been here forever. The Chinese competition is relatively new.

There are rumors Amazon will open officially soon, but they'll have a hard time if you ask me.

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Re:Amazon Quits China Market by dang on Monday April 22, 2019 @09:08PM (#19724729)
Please don't cross into rudeness in comments here. It's not cool, and isn't necessary.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by paganel on Monday April 22, 2019 @11:35AM (#19719708)
I'm really surprised about India, that's news to me, I knew about the US and Western Europe situation but that doesn't equate to the rest of the whole world, as I was saying. I have to say that I'm a little skeptical about your claim of them dominating SE Asia, as a quick search drove me to this article from September 2018 [1] where it says that they're about to enter the market in Indonesia (which dwarfs Australia in terms of future potential) after Alibaba had done the same thing.

The expected investment also doesn't match Alibaba's, the Chinese have apparently come up with $1.1 billion while Amazon is coming with only half of that value, i.e. $600 million. But maybe they're doing better in Thailand or Vietnam.

[1] https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/320410

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by sjwright on Monday April 22, 2019 @11:55AM (#19719901)
As an Australian I can confirm that Amazon launching here was a hotly anticipated disappointment. Amazon US is (was) far more popular in Australia than Amazon AU is now, for many reasons including price and breadth of product.

In order to force use of the AU site they blocked sales from the US site to Australian customers, which caused endless irritation and frustration.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by robryan on Monday April 22, 2019 @06:31PM (#19723694)
Their excuse for the block was the new GST laws but they have removed that now so the US site can be used.

It seems that the relatively quiet launch and slow growth has been intentional. As long as Amazon maintains a decent level of investment here I think they will continue to grow and possibly eventually be dominant.

Only recently have they ramped up advertising and started putting their listings onto Google Shopping.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by robryan on Monday April 22, 2019 @06:27PM (#19723656)
SEA seems like a terrible place to run an e-commerce marketplace. A bunch of competition that seems pretty content to run at a loss to try and build market share.
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by product50 on Monday April 22, 2019 @11:56AM (#19719912)
Here you go with the source: https://www.shopify.com/enterprise/global-ecommerce-marketpl...

And Amazon is also big in Brazil, Mexico, Japan etc. I think it is suffice to say that my point wrt Amazon dominating global eComm is fairly well laid out. Well, except for "China".

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by baybal2 on Monday April 22, 2019 @12:10PM (#19720084)
I'm very, very surprised not to see Alibaba/Express/Bao being present in Brazil in their data. And same for the Middle East.

Given that, I greatly doubt the veracity of their research.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by product50 on Monday April 22, 2019 @12:18PM (#19720142)
Do you have an alternate source? This data is from Shopify who is actually an Amazon competitor.
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by Teever on Monday April 22, 2019 @12:23PM (#19720181)
When I was in Belgium and Holland about 3 years ago Amazon was not available due to some tax dispute with the governments and so it was suggested that I use the German Amazon site instead. The selection was lackluster and Prime was unavailable.

It was quite startling for someone coming from a relatively small city in a sparsely populations part of Western Canada this was quite a surprise.

I had always assumed that given my remote location people that lived in densely populated regions would be better served by Amazon.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by A2017U1 on Monday April 22, 2019 @12:20PM (#19720164)
> Australia

Absolutely disagree, their service is shockingly slow and the limited range is overpriced. They make up about 0.4% of Australian online sales.

I'm not sure where you got this impression from.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by robryan on Monday April 22, 2019 @06:33PM (#19723717)
Eventually they will probably have distribution centers in each capital city. Delivery in Melbourne is pretty fast, depending a bit which courier they use. A lot of their orders seem to come via Toll which seems to vary a bit in speed.
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by matz1 on Monday April 22, 2019 @07:28PM (#19724106)
> South East Asia ?

Where ? Certainly not in Indonesia, the largest population in south east asia. Nor in singapore, malaysia or philippines.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by holoduke on Monday April 22, 2019 @12:08PM (#19720063)
Not here in the Netherlands. Nobody is using Amazon here.
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by wsc981 on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @12:05AM (#19725533)
I am originally from The Netherlands and used Amazon a lot over the last 15 years or so, mainly to buy books. Especially when regarding books, their biggest Dutch competitor (Bol.com) offers much more limited choice.

But I did notice at my last job in The Netherlands that people would often order technical gadgets and the like from Alibaba.

Re:Amazon Quits China Market by sabas123 on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @06:47AM (#19727261)
AFAIK amazon only sells (e)books in the Netherlands
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by evandijk70 on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @09:23AM (#19728305)
Amazon.uk and Amazon.de (and even Amazon.us) will ship orders to the Netherlands, although you pay a fee for transport.
Re:Amazon Quits China Market by adventured on Monday April 22, 2019 @03:36PM (#19722084)
> and it seems Amazon is not winning it in Russia either, nor in Ukraine

Russia is a very protected hyper nationalistic market, in exactly the same way China is. Their culture is segregated off from much of Europe in terms of being 'westernized.' Instead of westernized, it's a quasi separate, rather differentiated Russian culture (all the way down to the music). It's why Russia has Mail.ru, VK and Yandex, instead of eg Google dominating on search.

Ukraine is a partial extension of what is dominate in Russia, so for example VK and Yandex are very popular in Ukraine as well. Most of Ukraine fluently speaks Russian, and they've been culturally and politically dominated by Russia for a long time. This is why there has been a push by some prominent nationalist politicians in Ukraine recently ("Army, language, faith") to emphasize their own culture and language, and de-emphasize Russian culture and language. If you go to Kharkiv - Ukraine's second largest city, near the border with Russia - the people there often can't speak their native Ukrainian (they can usually read it), everything is in Russian.