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Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by Wowfunhappy on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:49AM (#19522687)
And the repairability score is zero.

I am quite concerned about these all ending up in landfills due to battery degradation. Apple claims it can "recycle" them, but that's legitimately hard to believe.

I would not feel morally comfortable owning one of these.

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by Eric_WVGG on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:58AM (#19522770)
Apple produced a pretty wild video about their iPhone-recycling robot. “True innovation means considering what happens to a product at every stage of its life cycle.” Even has a name, Liam.

It would do a lot to put my mind at ease if Apple produced a similar video showing how AirPods get torn down, although it's early enough in their history that Apple is probably just throwing expired AirPods in a shipping container to wait until the numbers make sense.

(Apple accepts all their old products back for recycling; I take most of my used electronics to Staples, but Apple stuff always goes back to Apple, as I assume they can do the best job of getting every ounce of meat out of the pig.)

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by snthd on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:32PM (#19523140)
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recy...

> "Materials are manually and mechanically disassembled and shredded into commodity-sized fractions of metals, plastics, and glass," John Yeider, Apple's recycling program manager, wrote under a heading called "Takeback Program Report" in a 2013 report to Michigan Department of Environmental Quality. "All hard drives are shredded in confetti-sized pieces. The pieces are then sorted into commodities grade materials. After sorting, the materials are sold and used for production stock in new products. No reuse. No parts harvesting. No resale."

As the article points out recycling should be a last resort (after reuse). Apple is deliberately obstructive of that.

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by pfranz on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:08PM (#19523527)
Thinking back, I've handed down and repurposed so many Apple products. Way more than any other company--especially for tech. I hear so many stories about hand-me-downs with kids, too. There's only a few items I've dropped off to Apple to dispose of...most were part of a buy-back program (I'm curious where those ended up; one was an original Apple Watch they recently gave $25 for and another a few year old iPhone. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up in different places).

Laptops I can often buy new and resell to recoup a significant part of the original cost...my first few Apple laptops were purchased used. iPods have been repurposed as; low-tier gym music players, sound machines for a baby, full time car music bulk playback.

Due to generally higher build quality, they seem to last longer and being almost a commodity (a relatively small number of SKUs and popular), it's easy to find replacement/new parts many years later.

I did try and repurpose my old Nexus One phone for a RaspberryPi project, but the screen/touchscreen died.

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by Eric_WVGG on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:31PM (#19523757)
I think the responder was talking about re-use of parts, though, not devices.

On the day of the iPad Mini announcement last week, my iPad spontaneously threw itself off the bed in a fit of grief and shattered on my concrete floor. Battery is a bit old but the logic board is perfectly okay; Apple is just gonna shred it into confetti.

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by pfranz on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:05PM (#19524058)
The comment ended with "recycling should be a last resort (after reuse). Apple is deliberately obstructive of that."

My disagreement is that for multiple reasons (build quality, longevity, and small number of popular SKUs), which are because of Apple, there is a much larger secondhand market than most tech products or even non-tech products in general. This also means I can more easily find replacement parts by buying things like your broken iPad on ebay/craigslist.

I also think it sucks Apple gets dinged for their Takeback program. I do have a problem with things that make the consumer feel good without actually materially improving anything and with situations where companies pressure cities to build half-hearted recycling programs when companies should accept more of a burden.

I have a young kid and their toys burn through batteries. My wife has battery recycling at work. After giving up nagging her to take them I remembered Best Buy has a prominent display for electronics recycling. After keeping used batteries in my car for a few weeks I finally stopped by one and found it explicitly did not accept alkaline batteries. I can't imagine the hoops needed to acceptably dispose of rechargeable headphones or laptops.

Sure, these programs make some people feel a little better about consuming these things, but after decades of this I haven't seen any of this consumer energy going to anything more productive. Often, it's the city/waste collection taking the burden instead of the company that produced it.

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by babypuncher on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:27PM (#19523721)
My iPod Mini still gets use today because my 2013 Hyundai has better iPod integration than bluetooth support. All I've done to it is replace the microdrive with a compact flash card. Shockingly, iTunes has no problem syncing music to a 256GB iPod Mini.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by turtlebits on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:00PM (#19522789)
Considering that Apple will send you prepaid shipping label to recycle your devices, I don't expect they would just toss them in the landfill.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by Wowfunhappy on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:07PM (#19522844)
So what, plausibly, do you think they might be doing?

I generally operate under the belief that companies avoid outright lying, particularly major ones like Apple. But, they may be stretching the truth, such as by salvaging a neglible amount of material and then chucking the rest. I'm not seeing a clear process on how they could do more than that.

Also, even if Apple is able to extract and reuse the metals or some such, the complete inability to swap out the batteries without destroying the device, combined with reports that battery capacity reaches unusable levels within a couple years, is of great concern.

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by mikestew on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:21PM (#19523002)
So what, plausibly, do you think they might be doing?

It's LifeHacker, consider the source:

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-recycle-your-airpods-183357932...

"In a phone conversation, an Apple spokesperson confirmed that these AirPods are then distributed to recyclers who specialize in electronic waste along with instructions on how to break apart the components."

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by Wowfunhappy on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:35PM (#19523166)
> are then distributed to recyclers who specialize in electronic waste

So, nothing like Daisy. I sadly don't find this encouraging.

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by snaky on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:43PM (#19523243)
Then they appear at Aliexpress with fresh batteries for half the price.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by xeromal on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:48PM (#19523299)
That's fantastic. Reuse is the best form of recycling.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by Wowfunhappy on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:15PM (#19523593)
From the teardown, it doesn't seem possible to replace an airpod's battery without destroying it.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by snaky on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:20PM (#19524176)
Never underestimate Chinese low-fi engineering genius.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by 52-6F-62 on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:09PM (#19522867)
As the other user mentioned, hopefully something similar to this(!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYshVbcEmUc

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by pohl on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:16PM (#19522938)
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by gumby on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:50PM (#19523321)
Why? Nescafe happily takes back used coffee pods and then tosses them. It's good PR -- good enough that my GF dumps them in the recycling "because they are recyclable: Nescafe takes them".
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by Wowfunhappy on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:45PM (#19523897)
> My GF dumps [Nescafe coffee pods] in the recycling "because they are recyclable: Nescafe takes them".

With all possible respect, this is terrible logic. Apple recycles iPhones, but that doesn't mean you can throw iPhones in your household recycling.

Putting non-recyclables into the recycling can contaminate and ruin the entire load. As a general rule, if you're not sure whether something can be recycled, you should err on the side of not recycling it. https://www.vox.com/videos/2019/3/12/18252188/recycling-wron...

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by gumby on Saturday March 30, 2019 @12:51AM (#19527833)
I agree with your points, but there is no way to win these arguments :-(.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by acct1771 on Saturday March 30, 2019 @01:18PM (#19530572)
There's one.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by Daniel_sk on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:36PM (#19523172)
Probably only in US.
Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by danShumway on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:34PM (#19524303)
I'd be interested in seeing data about what the average ecological impact of buying Apple products.

I used to be of the opinion that as long as you recycled, everything was just fine, but the recent recycling horror stories about sorting and costs have made me more reconsider that. Apple has (insofar as I can tell) an excellent recycling program, but realistically speaking, is a good recycling program enough? I don't know how it balances against:

A) increased consumption rates (your airpods are basically guaranteed to need replacing in 2 years max).

B) the limited number of consumers that are actually going to the trouble to send airpods back in to get recycled instead of throwing them in the garbage bin.

This is something I'd be interested in reading more about.

Re:AirPods 2 Teardown by denhamparry on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:54PM (#19523369)
Had the same feeling reading the article. I hadn't thought what happens when the airpod batteries fail. Will look for something more sustainable going forward.