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Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by benj111 on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:08PM (#19466395)
"When you remove fake volume, the real BTC volume is quite healthy given its mkt cap. Gold’s market cap is ~$7T with a spot volume of ~$37B implying a 0.53% daily turnover. Bitcoin’s $70B market cap would imply a 0.39% daily turnover, very much in-line with that of gold"

So people are using it as a store of value, rather than a medium of exchange? This would count against it being used just to buy drugs etc wouldn't it?

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by burlesona on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:50PM (#19466808)
I think that's right. It's anecdotal but everyone I know who owns some BTC owns a small amount and sees it as a sort of (a) hedge against major turmoil in fiat and (b) possibly long-term upside if more and better uses for the tech materialize.

So it's digital gold, and maybe being digital means it has long-term upside.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by kingo55 on Friday March 22, 2019 @05:57PM (#19467364)
Why buy drugs/illicit things on an open, immutable and transparent ledger?

Best use cash and leave no trace.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by Hamuko on Friday March 22, 2019 @06:10PM (#19467471)
Because you don't want to go meet drug dealers in an alley.
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by antidesitter on Saturday March 23, 2019 @02:17AM (#19469289)
Out of curiosity, why is RandomBacon's sibling comment hidden and marked [dead]?
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by connoredel on Friday March 22, 2019 @07:18PM (#19467848)
It's true that Bitcoin doesn't have a lot of transaction volume, but this isn't where you'd see that. "Spot volume" (trading volume) is taking place on centralized exchanges -- not on the blockchain.
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by WalterSear on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:15PM (#19466452)
As I understand it, it's primarily used for money laundering after the fact, rather than sales.
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by benj111 on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:36PM (#19466645)
Money laundering would imply short term parking of assets before moving them on? Which would tend to inflate trading volume?

I don't have any money to launder so I'm not an expert, but that's seems right?

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by WalterSear on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:55PM (#19466854)
It's doesn't have to be short term. Previous processes mostly were, by necessity.
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by benj111 on Friday March 22, 2019 @05:36PM (#19467213)
I'm thinking that if it becomes long term, isn't it then a store of value?

I might be arguing semantics but if you put dirty money in to a box, and 5 years later it spits out clean money. That's different to a box where you put dirty money, it immediately spits out clean money, but you leave it there for safe keeping.

On the other hand, if you have regular movement of money through a system, it becomes easier to trace the start and end points. If moneys just sitting there, you cant follow it.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by WalterSear on Friday March 22, 2019 @06:47PM (#19467669)
It's also different to a box you put dirty money in, that spits out clean money immediately, and is also a secure place to store money.

It's just solving both the fundamental problems of handling blood money at the same time, ergo Lambos and HODL genius.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by buboard on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:20PM (#19466502)
is it easy to buy drugs with bitcoin anymore? i would guess drug addicts are not that patient
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by caprese on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:18PM (#19466489)
Traditionally bitcoin has been held to a new higher impossible standard than other asset classes, when put on the same level of them it functions similarly.

For example, when looked at as a currency it acts similarly. Where the small tiny faction of the asset (M0) is used as a medium of exchange where people buy consumer goods and services. With M1 M2 M3 and MB being illiquid parts of the supply used for investment into other assets or for stores of value.

> So people are using it as a store of value, rather than a medium of exchange?

Just like currencies and metal commodities, both, and in similar proportions.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by benj111 on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:32PM (#19466600)
Bitcoin is traded less than gold. Gold isn't really used to buy consumer goods, and tends to be used as a store of value, thus the low trading volume. So it doesn't seem as if bitcoin is being used to buy things.

I wasn't making any judgement on what Bitcoin is good or bad for. I'm just inferring from the data how it is actually being used.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by caprese on Friday March 22, 2019 @06:43PM (#19467645)
Right I wasn't talking about just gold.

Bitcoin is held to a higher standard than actual currencies with regard to how much or little of it is used for purchases, and it is held to a higher standard than precious metals like gold with regard to how much or little of it is not moved at all.

The people educated in those asset classes commenting on bitcoin don't seem to notice, the people not-educated in those asset classes commenting on bitcoin aren't familiar with the economics and velocity of any asset class. That contributes to the state of the conversation today.

To move this discussion a little further, M0 of any currency would be a similar fraction of a percent as the trading portions of any commodity like gold.

With bitcoin, we also have to understand that trading volume on exchanges won't illuminate whether bitcoin is used for buying anything, as that likely would not be a transaction volume reported on exchange, but directly on chain itself and on secondary routing networks like Lightning.