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Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by CydeWeys on Friday March 22, 2019 @03:04PM (#19465807)
Unconscious bias is a real thing. You can easily have a situation in which no one is intentionally discriminating and yet end up with decidedly non-equal outcomes.
Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by elliekelly on Friday March 22, 2019 @03:50PM (#19466219)
One of my favorite examples from the Boston Symphony Orchestra[1]:

> For the auditions, the musicians would be playing behind a screen, in an effort to remove all chance of bias and allow for a merit based selection only - a selection that would hopefully increase the number of women in the orchestra.

> To their surprise, their initial audition results still skewed male.

> Then they asked the musicians to take off their shoes. The reason? The sound of the women's heels as they entered the audition unknowingly influenced the adjudicators. Once the musicians removed their shoes, almost 50% of the women made it past the first audition.

[1] https://www.upworthy.com/this-orchestras-blind-audition-prov...

Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by barry-cotter on Friday March 22, 2019 @10:52PM (#19468770)
Results are not statistically significant.

https://medium.com/@jsmp/orchestrating-false-beliefs-about-g...

>> Women are about 5 percentage points more likely to be hired than are men in a completely blind audition, although the effect is not statistically significant. The effect is nil, however, when there is a semifinal round, perhaps as a result of the unusual effects of the semifinal round. The impact for all rounds [columns (5) and (6)] is about 1 percentage point, although the standard errors are large and thus the effect is not statistically significant.

> So, in conclusion, this study presents no statistically significant evidence that blind auditions increase the chances of female applicants. In my reading, the unadjusted results seem to weakly indicate the opposite, that male applicants have a slightly increased chance in blind auditions; but this advantage disappears with controls.

Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by sisu2019 on Saturday March 23, 2019 @04:04AM (#19469525)
this unconcious bias stuff is unfalsifiable ideological garbage.

> equal outcomes

Equal outcomes is a truly horrible and disgusting goal.

Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by dang on Saturday March 23, 2019 @12:57PM (#19471227)
Would you stop please stop posting unsubstantive comments and ideological flamebait to HN? Your comments in this thread have been well below the standard HN users are asked to stick to, and even well below the median comment in this pretty bad thread.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by sisu2019 on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:40PM (#19472721)
No, I will speak the truth as I know it and so should everyone else, now more than ever.
Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by dang on Saturday March 23, 2019 @08:18PM (#19473135)
Any truth you have to offer can be expressed without violating the site guidelines.
Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by sisu2019 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @03:14AM (#19474920)
I doubt it. You don't like what I say so you apply the strictest standard while OP is clearly ideological but yet, magically, not flagged or so very helpfully nitpicked on style.
Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by lozenge on Saturday March 23, 2019 @11:12AM (#19470761)
Have you missed the studies on blind auditions for orchestras and the CV name switching studies? Entirely falsifiable (as well as real)
Re:Women: Learn to Program This Summer by sisu2019 on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:43PM (#19472736)
The blind cv experiments so far got shutdown pretty quickly when it turned out that with those the wrong group had even better chances.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-...