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Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by matchbok on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:40PM (#19443939)
AirBnb is a terrible, terrible company. Most of their money comes from corporate-owned mini-hotels yet they advertise as a mom and pop shop.

At every turn their solution is to sue small towns and cities so they can continue to extract wealth from our neighborhoods.

Disgusting.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by 188201 on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:11PM (#19444307)
In addition, register as a host in Airbnb does not require an ID proof, while register as a guest will be required to have an ID proof. And a host does not require to prove ownership of the property.

You can see it is such a convenient place for illegal business and money laundering. Some Airbnb has hidden camera for you know what it does. And as a matter of fact, many Airbnb in Japan is ran by the yakuza. They will use a pretty girl as profile pic. When you call the host, it is a yakuza guy respond to you. Actually, no problem with that as long as it is a smooth trade, but if something happens, god knows who can help you. And Airbnb only care about the host and don't give a fuck about guest.

I won't say don't use Airbnb, but just be reminded that use it if you can take some risk for some adventure.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by flexie on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:04PM (#19444218)
There are not many "corporate-owned mini-hotels" but there are certainly hundreds of thousands of people that buy one or more apartments with the purpose of renting them out through AirBnB (or not sell apartments that they would otherwise have gotten rid off).

AirBnB doesn't make the little guy make a few extra bucks renting out a room as much as it makes those who already have money buy up studios and one bedroom apartments. The effect is that such apartments get more expensive for those who just need a place to live.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by jseliger on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:22PM (#19444442)
AirBnB doesn't make the little guy make a few extra bucks renting out a room as much as it makes those who already have money buy up studios and one bedroom apartments. The effect is that such apartments get more expensive for those who just need a place to live.

If only there were some way of increasing the number of housing units on a given area of land, this problem could be solved and we could have enough housing for everybody. This kind of technology could really ameliorate such problems.

https://www.vox.com/a/new-economy-future/urban-sprawl-housin...

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by siruncledrew on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:32PM (#19445315)
Increasing the number of housing units doesn't solve the problem though. What is to stop people with money from buying those up and then Airbnbing them out?

Those "landlords/property investors" have enough cashflow and collateral to continue to expand their portfolios and get lines of credit to do so, which puts 'normal people' looking for housing at a disadvantage.

In high-demand housing areas, there needs to be more housing regulation to balance the businesses vs. individuals. It's good that there are cool places that encourage visitors to temporarily stay and spend locally, but there are also people wanting to live there that would also spend locally. The property businesses are making such a $/day killing on Airbnbs that they would rather keep that system than rent units for people to live there (and have to adhere to all the landlord laws).

Airbnb is a convenient loophole that offers more money with less effort as long as demand is high.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by jseliger on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @05:32PM (#19447177)
Increasing the number of housing units doesn't solve the problem though. What is to stop people with money from buying those up and then Airbnbing them out?

The principle of supply and demand, or basic economics. If demand for units is satisfied and an agent keeps buying and attempting to rent units, the price will collapse until the agent can no longer afford or buy them.

You may want to spend some time here: https://mru.org/courses/principles-economics-microeconomics

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by asdff on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:34PM (#19445337)
You don't even have to buy, you can throw down a security deposit, drop $1000 at ikea, and airbnb all month and make rent and more. You don't even have to ever step foot in the unit or meet a single guest; there are interior decorators and cleaning services that specialize in Airbnbs and you can stick the key in a lock box and change the password between stays.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by matchbok on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:08PM (#19444272)
Correct, should have clarified.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by mbostleman on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:44PM (#19443981)
What is a corporate owned mini-hotel? I am a fairly frequent Airbnb consumer and I have yet to stay somewhere that wasn't mom and pop.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by CaptainZapp on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:59PM (#19444144)
Dozens or even hundreds of cheaply outfited cooky cutter apartments run by a management company.

I'd wager that's 80% of their business, nowadays.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by nerdponx on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:54PM (#19444090)
I think the "corporate-owned" piece is a misnomer. I think what they mean to say is that they are commercial operations, rather than individuals making use of extra space that they already had in their homes.

If someone buys or rents a property that is bigger than they need, for the sole purpose of AirBnB-ing the extra space, that is a commercial mini-hotel.

In some jurisdictions this is probably a good thing, where you don't have the tourism volume to warrant building a proper hotel but where there is demand for tourism accomodations; in other jurisdictions it represents a wantonly inefficient use of real estate resources.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by alistairSH on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:27PM (#19445249)
...commercial operations, rather than individuals making use of extra space that they already had in their homes.

This has been my experience. Super-hosts with more than one listing. Apartments/homes that were obviously full-time rentals. So, not run by big corporations, but definitely run by somebody who has enough money on hand to buy property as a business venture.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by CodeWriter23 on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:53PM (#19444077)
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by biztos on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @05:09PM (#19446950)
I don't know about corporate ownership (other than you'd be insane to not have at least an LLC) but I've stayed in AirBNB apartments that belonged to people with many such properties. My impression was it was individuals/families with maybe 5-10 properties in a city, as opposed to some MegaCorp, but this is also has a pretty nasty effect on the rental market for locals.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by TheHypnotist on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:47PM (#19444014)
There are a few mini-hotels - properties with more than one room. How many are corporate owned is undetermined. This guy is just bitter about something, perhaps rightfully so.

Or maybe just vote manipulation.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by matchbok on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:07PM (#19444261)
Incorrect. Most of AirBnBs profit comes from units that do not have the owner present. Aka a hotel.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by TheHypnotist on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:20PM (#19444407)
Not only is that not the definition of hotel, you seem to think this carries a negative connotation?
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by matchbok on Monday April 01, 2019 @08:26PM (#19549816)
Yes, that's a hotel. You have "home-sharing" and hotels. Just because it's a single house does not make it less of a hotel.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by nerdponx on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:54PM (#19444096)
There are a few mini-hotels

More than a few. Check out AirBnB listing in Miami Beach, for example.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by jimmaswell on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:48PM (#19444766)
AirBnB was a life saver for me while I was looking for an apartment in my new state. I think it's a great business model and local governments should just work with it instead of trying to legislate away something there's obviously a big demand for.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by taborj on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:08PM (#19444275)
I can't comment to their operational policies, but I have a coworker who owns a house they use for AirBnb, and they make quite a bit of money off of it. Enough to have a house dedicated to AirBnb, and so one of them doesn't need to work. They seem pleased with it, and they're not a corporation by any means.

But, again, I don't have a horse in this race.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by mintplant on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:15PM (#19444345)
Frankly, I don't see that as a positive outcome. That house could be someone's home.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by taborj on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:36PM (#19445986)
It could be, sure. But in this instance, anyone who could afford that home could afford any of the other (many) houses up for sale in the area. This is in a touristy area, rather than a major city.

I can see this being an issue in a city, where housing is hard to find. But that's not the case in this instance.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by bradlys on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:06PM (#19444997)
In the scheme of it being "someone's home", it's not much different than renting it out for a longer period. Both are temporary and are at high risk for being kicked out. (Compared to owning it) No one I know who rents the home they're in claims it to be "their home".
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by gamblor956 on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:07PM (#19445016)
It's pretty much the exact opposite of being someone's home.

A long-term rental may not be permanent, but it's still a home for the duration of the rental. An AirBnB is not, by definition.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by frontloadpro on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:42PM (#19443961)
Why is your profile littered with anti Airbnb comments?
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by matchbok on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:43PM (#19443976)
Because my neighborhood is littered with mini-hotels and AirBnb encourages this behavior.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:58PM (#19444142)
Are they bothering you more than non-registered cars in people's yards bothers the HOA type of people?

On some level people have the right to do whatever they please with their property. That's kind of the point of ownership to begin with.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by drinkzima on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:07PM (#19444253)
Right - it's the level dictated by the zoning laws we all agreed to when we built a governmental framework for property ownership and the management of it's externalities.

Ownership literally doesn't mean you can do whatever you please, that's the point of the top-level comment here.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by dragonwriter on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:05PM (#19444240)
> On some level people have the right to do whatever they please with their property. That's kind of the point of ownership to begin with.

And on some level they don't (or, perhaps more precisely, on some level it's never entirely their property if they aren't the sovereign—even if they are a member of a group which collectively constitutes the sovereign), that's kind of the point of sovereignty.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by gamblor956 on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:06PM (#19445001)
On some level people have the right to do whatever they please with their property. That's kind of the point of ownership to begin with.

An HOA is a community-owned development. The individual lots are owned subject to the (HOA) rules of the development. That subordination is quite literally written into the deeds of the individual plots. So in this case, the other owners have a right to tell the individual owner what they can't do on their property.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by Tsubasachan on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:23PM (#19444456)
Its often not even their property.

Get a social housing unit, pay €500 per month. Rent it out for €90 per day on AirBNB. Profit.

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by dymk on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:42PM (#19443962)
Source?
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by TheHypnotist on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:42PM (#19443968)
Why is this disgusting?

Down vote with no answer?

Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by prklmn on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @12:59PM (#19444156)
Suing every city trying to regulate your service that’s harming city residents is just lovely to you?
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by TheHypnotist on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @01:21PM (#19444422)
That's not what he said.
Re:Airbnb’s ‘Guerrilla War’ Against Local Governments by parthdesai on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:07PM (#19445019)
Did you even read the article?