News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by scotty79 on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @07:33AM (#19429835)
I don't mind vegetarian. I rarely eat meat and never crave for it. However vegan just sounds horrible. Eggs and cheeses are incredible, milk, fish, prawns. Cutting them out feels like cutting half of the nutrients out of my diet. I wouldn't risk it unless I had very extensive knowledge and dedication to human dietary requirements and what which plants can provide, which I don't have and won't have.
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by the_gastropod on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @08:05AM (#19430015)
> Cutting them out feels like cutting half of the nutrients out of my diet. I wouldn't risk it unless I had very extensive knowledge and dedication to human dietary requirements and what which plants can provide, which I don't have and won't have.

Yea, this is pretty common (as many comments above yours will also attest to). “Vegetarian” and “vegan” are awful diet plans, in that they only tell you what not to eat. People coming from a standard diets based around meat/cheese/eggs undoubtedly have a hard time, and often become sick.

Fortunately, you don’t need that much knowledge. This stuff has been figured out by dietitians. If you’re interested in what a plant-based diet could look like, check out nutritionfacts.org. Dr. Greger has a “daily dozen” checklist that will pretty easily get you to a very healthy diet. It includes: cruciferous vegetables, other vegetables, whole grains, flax, berries, other fruits, spices (turmeric, cinnamon, garlic, etc), greens, nuts/seeds, beans/legumes, water, and exercise. If you consistently knock all 12 of those out, you’ll be healthy as a horse.

Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by dorfsmay on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @09:08AM (#19430393)
Aren't fish and prawns animals? Would you still considered a vegetarian if you ate them?
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by cableshaft on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @09:36AM (#19430647)
Some people consider that vegetarian, but I never understood that myself. When I was vegetarian, I didn't eat fish. I did eat eggs, though. Since they were unfertilized I didn't have a problem with them, and it helped me stick with the diet for as long as I did.
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by lawlessone on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @09:57AM (#19430811)
>Some people consider that vegetarian,

it's a christian cultural thing, mostly catholic. because the church decided fish aren't meat.

Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by hutzlibu on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @11:43AM (#19431880)
Ah, I allways wondered about that as being stupid well, now with that institution as the cause, it makes sense.
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by InitialLastName on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @01:16PM (#19432970)
Also Jewish people don't consider fish meat for the purposes of keeping kosher.
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by uxcolumbo on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @12:21PM (#19432305)
If you eat fish you're a pescatarian not a vegetarian.
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by dractori on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @11:39AM (#19431826)
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by scotty79 on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @02:07PM (#19433644)
Vegetarianism as I encountered it was 'no meat'. Which basically meant 'no muscle from anything closer to us than a frog'.
Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by lustysocietyorg on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @10:46AM (#19431253)
With a vegan diet, you need vitamin B12 supplements.

Take a multi-vitamin supplement, some linseed oil for the essential fatty acids and maybe some mineral supplement if appropriate according to the blood test.

You should do that anyway no matter your diet.

Dr Garth Davis: Americans have become obsessed with Protein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCt3IhaUtU&feature=youtu.be...

Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by thedaemon on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @11:27AM (#19431695)
Supplements are a scam industry and you should not be advising anyone to waste their time and money on supplements.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/02/supplements-are-a-30...

Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by lustysocietyorg on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @11:42AM (#19431864)
With a vegan diet, you need vitamin B12 supplements.

From the linked article:

> Overall, multivitamins are not recommended for the generally healthy. There’s just no clear evidence to prove that they have any benefit. A 2013 analysis of 27 trials involving more than 400,000 people concluded that there was no clear evidence that they reduce cardiovascular disease, cancer risks, or reduce all-cause mortality.

This makes no sense.

You have a vegan diet to reduce cardiovascular disease, cancer risks, or reduce all-cause mortality.

You take vitamin supplements to prevent potential deficiencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1Ca6SsKfE

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27886704/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21139125/

The need for vitamins and essential fatty acids is scientifically proven.

Better safe than sorry. Multi-vitamin supplements are cheap enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid

Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by KozmoNau7 on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @03:33PM (#19434767)
Fermented foods such as kimchi and sauerkraut can supply B12, as can seaweed and some other foods.

So it is possible.

Re:Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plas... by lustysocietyorg on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @03:44PM (#19434888)
AFAIK there are no good vegan sources of vitamin B12 except vegan vitamin B12 supplements.

All experts recommend vitamin B12 supplements for vegans, vegetarians and older people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17959839

https://www.b12-vitamin.com/algae/

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency:

> Vitamin B12 deficiency in the US and the UK is estimated to occur in about 6 percent of those under the age of 60, and 20 percent of those over the age of 60.[1] In Latin America rates are estimated at 40 percent and they may be as high as 80 per cent in parts of Africa and Asia.[1]