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> Dogs and pigs are known for eating hastily with minimal chewing,

Because they have no or smaller cheeks. But they have very acid stomachs.

The Comparative Anatomy of Eating

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatom...

Omnivore or Herbivore?

https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/

Milton Mills, MD: Are Humans Designed to Eat Meat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o&t=66

AFAIK there are no good vegan sources of vitamin B12 except vegan vitamin B12 supplements.

All experts recommend vitamin B12 supplements for vegans, vegetarians and older people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17959839

https://www.b12-vitamin.com/algae/

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency:

> Vitamin B12 deficiency in the US and the UK is estimated to occur in about 6 percent of those under the age of 60, and 20 percent of those over the age of 60.[1] In Latin America rates are estimated at 40 percent and they may be as high as 80 per cent in parts of Africa and Asia.[1]

With a vegan diet, you need vitamin B12 supplements.

From the linked article:

> Overall, multivitamins are not recommended for the generally healthy. There’s just no clear evidence to prove that they have any benefit. A 2013 analysis of 27 trials involving more than 400,000 people concluded that there was no clear evidence that they reduce cardiovascular disease, cancer risks, or reduce all-cause mortality.

This makes no sense.

You have a vegan diet to reduce cardiovascular disease, cancer risks, or reduce all-cause mortality.

You take vitamin supplements to prevent potential deficiencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1Ca6SsKfE

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27886704/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21139125/

The need for vitamins and essential fatty acids is scientifically proven.

Better safe than sorry. Multi-vitamin supplements are cheap enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid

With a vegan diet, you need vitamin B12 supplements.

Take a multi-vitamin supplement, some linseed oil for the essential fatty acids and maybe some mineral supplement if appropriate according to the blood test.

You should do that anyway no matter your diet.

Dr Garth Davis: Americans have become obsessed with Protein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCt3IhaUtU&feature=youtu.be...

> It's common practice here to downvote comments that complain about downvotes, because they don't actually add to the discussion. Complaining about voting is frowned upon.

I answered a question.

Downvoting without giving a reason is lazy selfish cowardly trolling without contributing anything useful.

A downvote is even worse than an insult because:

- an insult shows the mindset and the stupidity of the insulting person.

- as intended, a downvote leads to deranking of the comment and thus "eradication" for many other readers who do not care to read downvoted comments or the last comments of many.

I do not remember anymore what ElBarto wrote and it is censored now.

But it was related to the boycott of Huawei. It was reasonable like all other good critical comments that were downvoted to a grey font color at that time. I replied to the poster who wondered why ElBarto's post was downvoted because there was nothing wrong with it when I read it.

Besides, my comment was downvoted too without any valid criticism and thus it was validated.

What are the facts against Huawei ? Do you have any ?

Here are some facts against the USA and European politicians and secret services and their collusion:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-g...

Quote: The spying row has also been stirred by allegations that Merkel’s staff gave the German BND foreign intelligence agency a green light to help the NSA spy on European firms and officials.

https://www.europeansources.info/record/german-intelligence-...

Title: German intelligence employee arrested on suspicion of spying for US on Bundestag NSA committee

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/17/gchq-belgacom-investigat...

Quote: The Belgacom breach sparked outrage in Europe’s political institutions and made global headlines. But Belgium’s effort to identify the spies responsible and hold them accountable faced roadblocks at almost every turn. Europol, the European Union’s law enforcement agency, refused to assist. Prosecutors overseeing the case feared triggering a major diplomatic dispute and were reluctant to pursue it aggressively. Meanwhile, British spies tried to destroy the evidence. “We wanted to show that as a small country, we would not be bullied,” said a source close to the investigation. “But we were fighting against two big cyberarmies from the U.K. and the U.S. We knew we could never win this.”

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u...

Quote: The consultant Florian Kling, formerly a cyber officer and public relations expert for the German Armed Forces, told Stoltenberg on Twitter : "Explain why the civil network is important to NATO, how NATO / US would communicate through these channels "It's not a military or landline core, and should not I trust our crypto capabilities?" Other military officials also see this as follows: "Our intelligence services work together excellently - classified information is guaranteed not to be transported via a 4G or 5G network, but rather in completely different ways," said Patrick Sensburg on Deutschlandradio . The CDU deputy and lieutenant colonel of the reserve sits in the intelligence committee Parlamentarisches Kontrollgremium (PKGr). "This is about the exercise of economic power," emphasized Professor Sensburg.

This is HN. Like reddit.

Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is. Especially regarding politics and nutrition. If your comment matches a certain pattern, you get downvoted or upvoted by certain people who never give any facts but who might insult you instead.

PS https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u...

True science is clear and known.

Q&A on the carcinogenicity of the consumption of red meat and processed meat. https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27886704/

Nutrition concerns and health effects of vegetarian diets. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21139125/

Why Doctors Don't Recommend A Vegan Diet | Dr. Michael Greger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1Ca6SsKfE

New Canada Food Guide: Some Can't Handle It https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp4zWaLE_ik

Unfortunately lies and fake science affected by a personal or political or financial agenda confuse people.

When I write carbs I mean staple food and fruits and not candy or sweet fat in the form of chocolate and caramel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staple_food

These 4 points you mentioned are true facts.

But your conclusion is still not true. Saying carbs should be avoided is like saying water should be avoided because people died from drinking too much.

Biochemistry and psychology is complicated.

But a healthy diet is well known and not complicated.

Basically: Whole food plant based diet with vitamin supplements (notably vitamin B12) and e.g. linseed oil for the essential fatty acids.

Dr Garth Davis: Americans have become obsessed with Protein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCt3IhaUtU&feature=youtu.be...

> High carbs makes you fat.

An excess of energy makes you fat. Besides, fat is much easier to store as body fat for the body than carbs or protein.

> You need proteins and some fat. Having your diet be all carbs sounds like a bad idea.

I wrote whole food plant based diet.

I wrote high carb, low fat, low protein.

NOT: max carb, min fat, min protein.

Citations: https://lustysociety.org/diet.html

Besides: Vegans In The US Can Now Get Cheaper Life Insurance Thanks To Their Diet : https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/vegans-plantbased-cheape...

DHA/EPA are not essential fatty acids but conditionally essential fatty acids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid

> Get on youtube and search "I used to be a vegan" for numerous cases like mine, health irreparably damaged.

What did a vegan diet do to you ? Lack of vitamin B12 or other vitamins ? I advice to use vitamin supplements no matter the diet.

I agree that youtube offers much true and useful knowledge.

Unfortunately youtube offers also much false and harmful knowledge.

Some better youtube channels about nutrition:

Mic the Vegan : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJq0eQZoFSwgcqgxIE9MHw/vid...

Nutritionfacts.org : https://www.youtube.com/user/NutritionFactsOrg/videos

PLANT BASED NEWS : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJRjK20fHylJyf-HiBtqI2w/vid...

It is among the top diets promoted by fake experts (e.g. youtubers, magazines,...) and marketing experts.

Even kitchen machines for vegetables have "low carb" stickers on the box. Crazy.

> Vast majority of people in America get majority of their calories from carbs.

Maybe they still get too much calories form other sources. Of course sugar in soft drinks are not the best carbs.

Dr Garth Davis: Americans have become obsessed with Protein (2015-10-28). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCt3IhaUtU

And US food and junk food is quite fatty. Also because of meat.

Yes. It shows again that marketing and personal fantasy trump science and truth in the USA and probably elsewhere too.

But not eternally. Science will prevail eventually.

The nutrition science in 2019 is clear and has been clear for decades.

A high carb low fat low protein whole food plant based diet with (cheap) vitamin supplements and maybe linseed oil:

- is the healthiest diet.

- is the cheapest diet.

- is the most efficient and environment friendly diet.

- is the most ethical diet with regard to immoral animal suffering caused by humans.

You are right to question this study and the conclusion of the article. Still, the study shows some important points:

- Professor John Speakman, who led the study, said: “The result of this enormous study was unequivocal – the only thing that made the mice get fat was eating more fat in their diets.

- “Carbohydrates including up to 30% of calories coming from sugar had no effect. Combining sugar with fat had no more impact than fat alone. There was no evidence that low protein (down to 5%) stimulated greater intake, suggesting there is no protein target. These effects of dietary fat seemed to be because uniquely fat in the diet stimulated the reward centres in the brain, stimulating greater intake.

Anyway, one has to wonder why the body has a natural tendency to eat carbs (only in plants like healthy fiber) if they are not part of the natural diet: Sweet fruits. Sweet vegetables. Sugar. Starch products. Processed meat with vegetable spices and not just bloody pure meat like carnivores with the appropriate digestive system.

Sugar and Fat Bingeing Have Notable Differences in Addictive-like Behavior https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2714381/

WHY LOW CARB DIETS ARE A SCAM (2016-11-30). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dj-Wmmt0FE&feature=youtu.be...

The Science of Cheese Addiction (2017-03-25) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hE6lhQu7k4

> The brain runs almost entirely on beta-hydroxybuterate

This is not true.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3900881/

Quote: The mammalian brain depends upon glucose as its main source of energy, and tight regulation of glucose metabolism is critical for brain physiology.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27826689

Quote: β-Hydroxybutyrate (βOHB), a ketone body, is oxidised as a brain fuel. Although its contribution to energy metabolism in the healthy brain is minimal, it is an interesting metabolite which is not only oxidised but also has other direct and collateral effects which make it a molecule of interest for therapeutic purposes.

> The most efficient diet for humans is one high in fat, moderate in protein, low in carbs;

This is not true.

Scientifically proven best diet: Whole food plant based high carb, low-moderate fat and low protein.

Unless the body is starving, fat and protein are not converted to glucose (the main energy source for cells) to cover energy needs.

Fat Consumption is the Only Cause of Weight Gain (2018-07-14). https://neurosciencenews.com/fat-consumption-weight-gain-957...

Why Doctors Don't Recommend A Vegan Diet | Dr. Michael Greger (2015-05-17). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1Ca6SsKfE

Dr Garth Davis: Americans have become obsessed with Protein (2015-10-28). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCt3IhaUtU

Omnivore or Herbivore? https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/

Besides:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJq0eQZoFSwgcqgxIE9MHw/vid...

I guess you talk about Russia as dubious backer.

You really believe that the POTUS (notably Jill Stein and the Green Party) could be paid by Russia to enforce Russian policies to the detriment of US citizens ?

This idea is as crazy as the idea that China invented global warming to harm the USA economy.

From https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/0111/93244...

Back in 2012, almost three years before he declared that he was going to run for the White House, Mr Trump tweeted: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

Clinton and Trump have both been elected by roughly 26% of eligible voters in 2016.

https://mises.org/wire/26-percent-eligible-voters-voted-trum...

If you do not vote or vote for someone you do not want, your vote is worse than lost.

There is much potential for other parties. And while the presidential election is most important regarding war and the rest of the world, other elections for local politicians are important too and maybe even more important for US citizens.

Related talk: How To Eliminate The "Spoiler" Vote Phenomenon w/Jill Stein pt. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgYEFxjJaUg

> We, the people, are pretty powerless here.

Most US americans have been voting for Democrats or Republicans or not at all for decades. Of course the politics remain the same: Wars and politics that favor the richest.

Please, vote for the Green Party or another reasonable party in 2020.

> Stop posting on HN.

I guess you are one of the US citizens who promote hate and war against Russia and China and thus want to censor free speech and messages to defend and promote your worldview.

Your words from the first comment I replied to: Nobody in the US is going to censor your email so that if you say something about Trump it gets magically deleted.

Your last comment proves that you are no better and you would love to have my comments deleted or having me banned from HN.

I guess it is also you who downvotes my comments.

You know you have nothing to say against the proofs that I linked.

You are very naive.

Julian Assange would be free if the USA respected journalism. But the USA does not.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/nov/16/julian-assange...

For the USA, this is about about national pride and personal revenge. Trump said that a death sentence is appropriate.

The trial and accusation might be kept secret. Like in Guantanamo and similar places around the world where people are held captive without trial and where torture is normal.

Do you really think the world is worried about Julian Assange because a fair trial is expected ?

Do you really think that he has spent his life in the Ecuadorian embassy since 2012 because a fair trial is expected ?

Do you really think that Ecuador has protected Julian Assange in the embassy since 2012 because a fair trial is expected ?

We are in 2019. Important things have changed since 1933.

Although unrelated but in reply to your message: China is a totalitarian dictatorship but I wonder if more Chinese people support it than US people support Trump or Clinton or any other of the war criminal mass murder US presidents that US democracy had elected in the last century.

I hope that the Green Party or another reasonable party will be elected in the USA in 2020.

Besides: AFAIK it is possible for many to use VPN in China to access the internet privately without censorship and without punishment.

https://www.travelchinacheaper.com/is-it-legal-to-use-a-vpn-...

> Whataboutism

Typically used by people who have nothing else to say.

I did not write anything to excuse China.

I wrote something that accuses the USA and our western democracies of being far worse than China for the world. Something very relevant regarding the fear mongering against Russia and China promoted by the message in the linked article that also promotes the worldview that the USA and the western democracies are beacons of goodness that must act against Russia and China.

Besides, Russia was invited by the official and elected Syrian president. The USA invaded Syria and promoted terrorism. You should read about what Syrian people think about Russia and the USA in their country.

Example: 'Thank you, Russia, Thank you, Putin' - BBC News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNTgL82D4Xo

In our western democracies, especially the USA, not only messages are deleted but persons are.

Either by lies or by harassment or by prison or by murder or by wars against entire countries and their population.

Notable examples:

- Julian Assange.

- Russia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, ...

America Has Been at War 93% of the Time – 222 out of 239 Years – Since 1776 https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-been-at-war-93-of-...

When was the last war promoted by Russia or China where hundreds of thousands of people died ?

Madeleine Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi Children was "worth it" wins Medal of Freedom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

And do not forget corruption of information by corporations and secrets services like the FBI and CIA.

Whistleblower Exposes Facebook Censorship Techniques - Mindblowing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UzFTAeEzJ8

SHOCKER: FBI Admits Sabotaging Progressive Politicians As Policy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LYJSb-h9m8

Macron vows to tighten media control because 'fake news threatens democracy' https://www.rt.com/news/414945-macron-france-fake-news-law/

Food libel laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_libel_laws

This spiteful article is probably part of the US war campaign against Venezuela.

Leftist Debunks John Oliver's Venezuela Episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fV-C1Ag5sI

A Brief History of U.S. Dirty Wars in Central America That Set the Stage for the Refugee Crisis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJpykHbbYI

US Senator Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list – report https://www.rt.com/usa/444420-us-venezuela-terror-sponsor/

‘Bolton is preparing plan for my assassination, with help from Bogota’ – Venezuela’s Maduro https://www.rt.com/news/446316-maduro-assassination-bolton-v...

Besides US agents are involved in the media secretly and openly (CNN, Fox News,... promoting the conspiracy and lie that should justify the publically well known war e.g. Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria).

What western media company is outraged regarding the situation of journalist Julian Assange ?

The Guardian/Politico Psyop Against WikiLeaks https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/01/the-guardian-politico-...

Besides: This comment might be my last comment on HN because I can not create replies because I am posting too fast according to HN.

What do you mean by "Mother Dirt" ?

Eating sugar increases the sugar level in your body for some time.

Sugar is also food for bacteria and that leads to pus and inflammation and caries (the sugar in the saliva is converted to acid by bacteria).

There are also other bio-chemically active substances like certain fats and oils. Notably oils containing much Omega-6 acids (inflammation) like in sunflower seeds or sunflower oil.

Chocolate is bad not only because of the sugar.

> It's good that people are demanding social change and action; the answer should bbe private charity and community leadership, as the current system just funnels money into contractors pockets.

I agree. But a democratic government is not necessarily bad; it is only as bad as the democratic majority that voted for it and not against it.

> Government is nearly always the least effective use of a citizen's money.

I do not agree. All depends on the government.

A government is typically the worst as "minimalist" government that seeks:

- to promote austerity and thus poverty for the masses and the government. Typically enforced by harmful taxes as only money source for the government in a currency union.

- to promote certain evil ideologies (e.g. austerity and poverty and military) and elite interests by law and policies. The government is currently (and maybe only theoretically) the only force of the masses against the few at the top.

- to act as evil global night-watchman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state

Clear proof from the USA and Europe:

https://www.newsweek.com/us-spent-six-trillion-wars-killed-h...

https://juliareda.eu/2018/08/censorship-machines-gonna-censo...

https://juliareda.eu/2018/12/article-13-mess/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1jZNepTx80&t=35

https://jacobinmag.com/2018/12/medicare-for-all-study-peri-s...

Regarding public and private morality and charity:

No government and no economy respects the human rights. Obviously no charity of millionaires and billionaires tries enough to help. http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/human-rights/

http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2008/1000853/index.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/homelessness-chris...