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Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by chii on Monday March 18, 2019 @05:51PM (#19425702)
Imagine how much money you'd be able to syphon if you could access the javascript that serves these pages!
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by jacquesm on Monday March 18, 2019 @06:06PM (#19425832)
You can't get at the $ but you can get at the individual transaction data. They really should not have third party js on banking and medical sites, especially not for logged in users.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by chopin on Monday March 18, 2019 @06:35PM (#19426052)
Are you absolutely sure about this (would love a reference)? Letting another party running code removes at least many layers of defence. I would not trust a bank which is doing that it's just a sign of gross incompetence.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by jacquesm on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @01:03AM (#19428205)
2FA should at least in theory stop them from doing that. But if the script rewrites the page then maybe there are interesting ways around that.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by nostoc on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:49PM (#19427656)
Third party code within your banking website has access to anything you can do from the UI.

That includes siphoning money from your account.

Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by jacquesm on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @01:04AM (#19428210)
I have a hardware token and a chipcard to stop that from happening, still, there may be some way to do it that I'm not aware of. One way I can think of is to display one set of destination details for a transfer to the user and use another for the actual transfer.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by chopin on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @03:05AM (#19428685)
The hardware token I use shows amount and recipient. At least you could notice.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by doikor on Monday March 18, 2019 @05:55PM (#19425730)
From my banks web site? Effectively zero. Nothing will happen unless you validate the transactions using two factor authentication (user id + code app/single use paper code)

(In my experience all bank web sites work like above here in Finland)

Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by slig on Monday March 18, 2019 @06:14PM (#19425905)
One possible attack is to change the details of a transaction before the page post it. To the user it would appear as she's transferring money to Bob, but it'd go to Eve.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by magicalhippo on Monday March 18, 2019 @06:29PM (#19426005)
My bank has two-factor using some special applet thingy on my phone (not a regular app, it's tied into the SIM card somehow). It shows me the details (amount and destination account) which I have to confirm using my password (in combination with a key from the SIM).

Much more difficult to circumvent, assuming the user pays attention...

Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by chii on Monday March 18, 2019 @07:45PM (#19426522)
Then, the malicious script can just pop up an official looking dialog box with a message saying that they are 'testing' the confirmation system, and please accept/agree to the next sms/alert from the app.

Having direct control of the user interface is very powerful.

Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by magicalhippo on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @08:31AM (#19430128)
Of course one has to have a minimum of awareness for any protection mechanism to work.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by moviuro on Monday March 18, 2019 @06:29PM (#19426011)
Eve should be among the known receivers though, which is a world of slow (~72hours to add an IBAN to my list for instance).

There are banks that try to make it faster though, with MFA, though the MFA system is usually SMS.

Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by JeremyBanks on Monday March 18, 2019 @06:29PM (#19426004)
The banks I've used in Canada allow you to send transfers (uip to $3000) to other domestic bank accounts without reautenticating. Fortunately, they don't seem to use any third-party JavaScript.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by tnolet on Monday March 18, 2019 @06:17PM (#19425925)
Nothing. That is not how online banking works. At all. Payments need validation, check and balances (quite literally) at multiple stages before any money changes hands.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by nostoc on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:52PM (#19427672)
Really depends on how secure your bank is, because a lot of major banking trojans work in a very similar way : injecting JavaScript in your webpage.
Re:EU government websites have undisclosed adtech trackers f... by eecc on Monday March 18, 2019 @07:02PM (#19426241)
Nut they can sure tell if you’re worth mugging...