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Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by chewz on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:56AM (#19422161)
Mobile telecom prices are just a pure licence to print money. The cost base (infrastructure and regulatory costs) is insignificant and the asking price maxed out - depending on the market.

Prices could be mitigated by competition but usualy we have oligopoly, by regulators (EU and roaming charges) or by taxation (licences to operate).

I always laugh when similar company with similar shareholders charge 15 times more in one country then in another.

Digi Malaysia extending prepaid for 1 year 68 ringit 15$, dtac Thailand 1$. Both owned by Telenor.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by vvanders on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:12PM (#19422328)
I hate mobile companies as much as anyone else but that's like saying that once you're past the hard part of software development the rest is easy.

The bread and butter of mobile operators is infrastructure and spectrum licensing. FWIW I think there's a fair amount of competition, at least more than you see in the ISP space. Building towers is usually much more straightforward than trenching fiber/cable.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by zzzcpan on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:25PM (#19422485)
Towers are connected through fiber.

Mobile companies in general don't compete with each other at all and just continuously raise prices until too many customers starts leaving or regulators and politicians start to notice.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by vvanders on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:28PM (#19422518)
Depends on the company/tower. Quite a few use high gain RF links.

My local WISP uses AirFiber[1] for all their backhauls, mobile can be different but nothing is an absolute.

[1] https://www.ui.com/products/#airfiber

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by joecool1029 on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @01:31AM (#19428318)
T-Mobile has some AirFiber deployed in west NJ and PA for connecting towers.

There are remote towers that actually have satellite backhaul. You can tell when you're on UMTS/HSPA or LTE and the latency is like 700ms. The companies are trying to eliminate them as they are costly to operate.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by mcv on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:06PM (#19422268)
In many countries, mobile bandwidth licenses were auctioned for ridiculous sums, which were probably bid based on what they expected the market to be able to bear. That made the expected profit part of the cost.

There was a bit of a scandal back then because of the way the Dutch government handled that auction and tried to squeeze as much money as possible out of the various bidding companies.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by chewz on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:09PM (#19422303)
True. But it is just the government trying to get a slice of a pie. regulatory cost.
Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by jandrese on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:23PM (#19422469)
It makes sense that the government wants to only hand out this extremely limited resource to organizations that will actually use it. And there is some sense that if someone pays a half a trillion dollars for the spectrum that they'll be highly motivated to use it to recover those costs, but in the end it basically guarantees that the service will be expensive because they have to make back that investment.

But the only other solution I can see is to have the government just pick a company and hand them the license, and that's effectively guaranteed to be breathtakingly corrupt since the incentives to cheat are overwhelming. At least with the market solution the money goes into the government's general fund instead of into the pockets of the party official in charge of making the decision.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by iguy on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:37PM (#19423788)
> but in the end it basically guarantees that the service will be expensive because they have to make back that investment

Isn't it exactly the other way around? They bid high because they estimate that they will be able to make back the investment. The sole reason for making that investment is to sell it on to customers.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by mcv on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @04:22AM (#19428988)
It works both ways. They bid high because they expect to be able to made back that investment, but having bid so high, they also need to meet that expectation, or they're in trouble.
Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by jandrese on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:07PM (#19424089)
Either way they're expecting to make that money back in a reasonable timeframe. Eventually the costs need to be passed onto the customers.
Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by dzhiurgis on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:52PM (#19423946)
Gov can run the network and make all providers MVNO’s
Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by dzhiurgis on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:50PM (#19423929)
Thats why gov’s should run national network and let MVNO’s just issue eSIM’s and purchase peering/international cables.

It’s a but like broadband and electricity deregulation in UK or NZ.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by ksec on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:30PM (#19424929)
>Mobile telecom prices are just a pure licence to print money.The cost base (infrastructure and regulatory costs) is insignificant and the asking price maxed out - depending on the market.

The majority of cost aren't spectrum, ( as a few comment below suggested ) or Infrastructure, ( Payment made to Nokia, Ericsson, Huawei, or ZTE ), but rental agreement for all those Base station.

It is not exactly license to print money like Casino, Oil industry. The telecom industry margin are generally quite thin.

Re:Mobile data: Why India has the world's cheapest by iguy on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:34PM (#19423761)
Maybe the expensive part is spectrum -- it's pretty limited, and is usually sold at auction. So the cheap bandwidth (double meaning intended) in India is ultimately a reflection on the average customer not being able to afford much.

The customers don't literally participate in the auction, obviously, but the operators bid based on what they think customers will pay. It's like the representative democracy version of an auction.