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Re:‘A toxic culture of overwork’: The graduate student menta... by skrebbel on Sunday March 17, 2019 @03:23AM (#19412713)
I recognize that this is anecdata but I worked together remotely with a engineers from the Shenzhen area a number of times, and they would have a 2 hour lunch plus a 2 hour afternoon nap (under their desks, on a couch, anywhere really) every day. Working from 9 to 9 sounds less heavy (and more fun!) that way.

Maybe I met some lucky few, but if my impression of Chinese tech working culture is accurate, it's less insane than popularly reported.

Re:‘A toxic culture of overwork’: The graduate student menta... by digitalixus on Sunday March 17, 2019 @03:39AM (#19412767)
Ain't that the inconvenient truth? Countries with long working hours aren't filled with people with superhuman stamina and concentration. They just fill up the additional hours with a bunch of other stuff; in the western hemisphere, it's acting busy and spending hours on Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn.

I'd rather work in a place with "work-life balance" (whatever the hell that is these days, 8-6?) but such places are disappearing all over the planet. Even in Europe, work-life balance can be goddamn horrible in tech, especially if you work in a startup. Unpaid overtime is common, in a recent interview at a startup of 70 employees, I was told "our official working hours are 9am-6pm but... well, we're a startup, so you know... hint hint nudge nudge".

If what places like Blind are saying is true (that pay in the east is rising to SV-like levels), China and Asian countries with "long working hours" may be viable places to work in the future, since long hours are already a norm in America and becoming the new European standard too.

Re:‘A toxic culture of overwork’: The graduate student menta... by lavotu on Sunday March 17, 2019 @07:22AM (#19413439)
I always some trouble understanding these kinds of comments. They really don't mirror my experience. I have worked in a mix of small to multinational companies in France, small companies/startups in England (Cambridge). I would always do 9:30/6, often less. Sure I received "median" wages for that. Sure there was the occasional release where you work on Saturday, but that's once every 6 months, and I could say no if I wanted.

Some people would work more or much more (they ended up being "nudged" into management, the poor souls, they regretted it dearly), but as a software engineer the market is so much in your favour that you can always go somewhere else.

Re:‘A toxic culture of overwork’: The graduate student menta... by Gene_Parmesan on Sunday March 17, 2019 @05:36AM (#19413132)
These places are findable, but you have to take a pay hit usually. I'm working as a software dev for a nonprofit right now in the US -- we have 35-40 hour weeks, 25 days of vacation, 1 telecommute day per week, and the nicest coworkers I've ever met. Everyone is sunny and relaxed because the culture breeds happiness. It's downright intoxicating to work there.

But I'm making a solid $20k less than I could make elsewhere at my current role. To me though, it's worth it for a working environment where I wake up with a smile at the thought of driving in, rather than waking up with a sick pit of dread in my gut every day.

Re:‘A toxic culture of overwork’: The graduate student menta... by freyr on Sunday March 17, 2019 @04:44AM (#19412961)
> it's less insane than popularly reported.

So instead of spending time with your loved ones and living life, you sleep under a desk just to clock in your 12 hours at the office. Sorry, it doesn't seem any less insane.

Re:‘A toxic culture of overwork’: The graduate student menta... by skrebbel on Sunday March 17, 2019 @05:07AM (#19413031)
No man! Not to clock hours. To chill out, after eating a super huge excellent lunch. With the kinds of lunches the Chinese eat, trying to get back into working hard right after is futile. Gotta let it sink first.

Sounds to me that you simply disagree whether having a great lunch and a relaxed working atmosphere is a valuable part of "living life". I suspect that my priorities are more like yours than the average Chinese, but I disagree that you can call them insane for a chilled out work ethic and a foodie culture. It's different, and indeed family gets almost no time and IMO that sucks balls, but it's not the nasty Nazi work regime people make it out to be.