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Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by akira2501 on Saturday March 16, 2019 @02:46PM (#19409432)
This is something I always ask people with those little "camera blockers" attached to their laptops: "How do you block the microphone?" and "Which is worse? Recording video of you all day, or recording audio of you all day?
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by smelendez on Saturday March 16, 2019 @03:21PM (#19409632)
That's a good point. I think it varies from person to person.

Part of my reason for blocking video is I can never figure out when videoconferencing tools will default to transmitting video, which I never want, before I have a way to turn it off.

Also, I don't think I'm a high profile enough target that somebody would bother sifting through everything I say in front of my laptop for something interesting.

Capturing images every minute or so and looking for something embarrassing (someone showing lots of skin) seems much easier for malware to automate.

Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by trevyn on Saturday March 16, 2019 @03:34PM (#19409721)
>I don't think I'm a high profile enough target that somebody would bother sifting through everything I say in front of my laptop for something interesting.

The threat model is closer to automated transcription, global history search, and parallel construction.

Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by Pocketknife on Saturday March 16, 2019 @07:57PM (#19411227)
I am amazed at the general level of understanding regarding this sort of thing. People simply don't know enough, on average, to even make an informed decision about this stuff.

They think the FBI is gonna sit and watch or listen to a recording. They have no idea this is gonna sit as text in a database forever to be searched against later.

Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by smelendez on Saturday March 16, 2019 @03:54PM (#19409842)
I think that would be hard to pull off in the US, where I live. There are enough paranoid infosec people that would spot the data transmission or CPU usage.

But certainly no harm done in muffling or ripping out a mic if you're concerned!

Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by pdkl95 on Saturday March 16, 2019 @06:54PM (#19410916)
Why would anybody bother trying to hide traffic? Lots of apps already waste bandwidth and CPU to exfiltrate a wide variety of data, often sending it straight to Facebook[1]. They simply relabeled it "analytics",

[1] https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9941-how_facebook_tracks_you_on_...

Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by r00fus on Saturday March 16, 2019 @05:41PM (#19410466)
Not if it’s intermittent / on-demand and hiding within existing traffic.
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by TrinaryWorksToo on Saturday March 16, 2019 @10:15PM (#19411794)
There are startups that automate listening to devices. See www.deepgram.com
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by rhizome on Saturday March 16, 2019 @05:57PM (#19410570)
Lenovo lets you order a ThinkPad with neither camera nor microphone, and USB webcams are small and fit easily in a bag or backpack.
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by lscotte on Saturday March 16, 2019 @09:16PM (#19411534)
My son worked in a chip fab for a couple of years. The only devices allowed in there must be certified to have no cameras, including phones. They issue modified phones with out working cameras to employees. All devices must have a big certification sticker on the back. Just thought it was interesting.
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by jstanley on Sunday March 17, 2019 @04:40AM (#19412949)
It's not "would you rather be recorded in video or audio?", it's "would you rather be recorded in just audio, or in both video and audio?".

It's easy and quick to put some tape over the webcam, so unless you use it all the time, there's very little reason not to to so.

Disabling the microphone is harder and maybe not worth the effort.

Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by StanislavPetrov on Sunday March 17, 2019 @11:45AM (#19414569)
You crimp the internal microphone with a pair of pliers.
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by pacala on Saturday March 16, 2019 @07:18PM (#19411041)
So how do I block the microphone on my MacBook?
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by PowerfulWizard on Saturday March 16, 2019 @07:29PM (#19411093)
Zuckerberg released a photo once where he had a piece of tape over the microphone hole on the size. I don't know what the effect is, but it would be easy to test.
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by Pocketknife on Saturday March 16, 2019 @07:58PM (#19411233)
It would muffle it slightly. It would still give an attacker perfectly usable sound.
Re:Google’s Nest fiasco harms user trust and invades their p... by mathrawka on Saturday March 16, 2019 @08:33PM (#19411382)
The muffled sound is enough to prevent acoustic keylogging from working properly though.

https://www.davidsalomon.name/CompSec/auxiliary/KybdEmanatio...