Afterall, possession of a limited resource shouldn’t create a disadvantage to the owner of said possession. That makes no logical sense wrt property and ownership rights.
There is nothing natural about land ownership. The government creates the artificial construct of land as property to avoid the tragedy of the commons, where no one has an incentive to invest in making land productive--for example, by building a home, factory, or farm. A land tax prevents a land owner from squandering the privileges of land ownership.
Disadvantage from what baseline? Possession of a limited resource always creates an advantage to start with. If this is not compensated for with a tax, then aren't people going to compete away the value that would have been taxed? In which case it will be lost to society.
There is a tax at source. There is a tax at transfer/inheritance.
If it’s put to use, there is a tax at consumption. The house always wins. The govt always collects tax.
I disagree with the notion that redistribution should be coercion or punitive. A land tax for undeveloped land is punitive. Property and ownership is constitutionally protected. People shouldn’t be punished for being productive and wealthy.
Here is a thought experiment:
No one is taxed again and again every year after they buy ..say(and this is hypothetical)..a pace maker that is made with a very rare and precious metal that is a limited resource.
Of course, once the metal is depleted then others can’t avail it to make new pace makers that would help others live. Does it mean that the original recipients of a life saving device must be taxed every year as their particular illness start affecting new patients.
Think of that chronic illness as lack of access to property. And the pacemaker as the home. And the precious metal used to make the pace maker as the limited resource or commodity that is land.
Early adopters have an advantage. There is nothing morally or ethically wrong with it.
What is truly wrong is the punitive financial burden brought about by the mere possession of said asset. It’s incredibly perverse and unfair.
It can be argued that even a nominal property tax is unfair unless it is ploughed back as essential services. Using it for public education is for the greater good and is a mark of a egalitarian society. To use it to funnel money into unfunded pension liabilities of public sector employees under the guidance of unions is unacceptable. To claim it as a right with entitlement is borderline thuggery.
Given the inheritance of land, I think quite a lot of people would argue that there is something unfair about having an advantageous position simply because of your ancestors.
Pensions are deferred pay. It is wage theft - thuggery - to promise to pay people X now and Y later then renege on the Y later.
It seems like you very frequently hear the opposite opinion, that it is grievously unfair to not have an advantageous position that you should have inherited because your ancestors' land was taken away.
So I don't think that there is any consensus.
I can't parse all the double negatives in this.
I suspect that once we start designer babies, they would become property too.
Pensions don’t work anymore. It’s an outdated idea. Just like minimum wage, it’s forced penury for the promise of future wealth. This has only enabled unions and the like to exploit everyone including workers.
The children, and indeed everyone else, would probably disagree with you.
> Pensions don’t work anymore. It’s an outdated idea.
So, what of the period from the end of the useful working life until death? Penury?
At the end of the day, it’s speculation. Instead of spitting on the face of millennials and tech and Silicon Valley, they ought to look at unions and the burden of unfunded pension liabilities.
For most public sector employees, the last salary you draw is your pension for life. Law enforcement and fire fighters retire at 50 and are free to work after retirement. Until a few years ago, unclaimed leave could be cashed in..a caltrans driver took home 400+k from leave accumulated over 35 years. Others take the last couple of years off but remain unemployed getting an average of 4-5% hike annually which becomes part of their pension. This isn’t deferred pay. It’s pension spiking. It comes from unfunded liabilities. Which would put every Californian in debt for years to come and will probably never go away until pension schemes are over hauled.
I am thinking UBI of some sort. I would imagine a good way to test UBI would be for those in retirement. By abolishing pension schemes. No pension, higher pay during the working years. It’s fairer to all.
No one is taxed again and again every
year after they buy ..say(and this is
hypothetical)..a pace maker
People should not have to pay tax on their primary residence. I'm fine with taxes on every subsequent property and taxes on rental units on the same property but you should not have to pay a tax for owning your own residence.
My neighbours don't feel the same way, so we have mandatory trash pickup, a.k.a. a tax.
Wealth must be encouraged to share using incentives and not coercion. There is still value in freedom to make choices about property. Freedom is the corner stone of a free society. Individual freedom.
Don't get me wrong, I'm in agreement that this is a bad use of limited space. But the cause of this bad use is "mandated by law", not "accidentally incentivized by a policy". Tweaking the policy changes nothing if the requirement remains
The city and county would prohibit them from building additions or in law units or additional rentable units unless they subscribe to a limit. It’s been suggested that it should be no more than 40% of original sq footage.(in one city’s instance)
Meanwhile, new developments are in 3000 sq ft lots and have 2400-2600 sq ft built area leading to property prices from 1 million to 2 million dollars.
This leads to more new housing at high value and hence high taxes. By restricting additions for growing families or multi generational units or multiple units that can be rented, people would have to purchase from new developments.
More taxes for the state(California in this case) and developers benefit. But the high density doesn’t make infrastructure better nor does it address issues like over crowded schools(and over worked teachers)...less open space and traffic grid locks and thinned essential services.
This is my observation about high density developments. I am fond of the notion that embraces the philosophy of the Dunbar Number. Have fixed density that is comfortable..perhaps multiple fixed densities and provide infrastructure accordingly. Once the density : infrastructure ratio has been satisfied, move on and develop adjacent by creating an chain link to the previous planned development.
new developments are in 3000 sq ft lots and have 2400-2600 sq ft built area
Likewise, that initial 20% by area (2000 of 10,000sqft) structure dimension ratio sounds made up.
Re newer developments, here is an example: https://www.lennar.com/new-homes/california/san-francisco-ba... : plan 5, icona. Three stories, 2300 sq ft built area approximately. 1.2ish million.
On a related note, I browsed that random google link and clicked on ‘home automation’..basically it’s an Amazon home. Alexa would run your household. I am not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.
All Bay Area cities have to follow mandatory orders for building quotas from a Bay Area organization called ABAG
First hand accounts re older properties
How about one example of any parcel with a residence footprint taking 80% of the parcel area?
As or that Lennar development, you are totally ignoring common area (exclusive and nonexclusive use).
A house sits and does nothing. It doesn’t ‘consume’ anything and if it does consume or it’s residents consume, that’s taxed. We should have consumption tax..not property taxes for one’s primary residence.
We have road tax, gas tax, sales tax, income tax ..we pay for utilities, essential services, schools. But why should we pay taxes for living under a roof and getting married and giving birth and I guess when we die. That’s being taxed for existing.