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Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by grecy on Thursday March 07, 2019 @04:50AM (#19326792)
I've been driving around Africa for almost three years now, and every time I go into a city I can't help but think along the same lines as this article.

I see tens of thousands of vehicles belching huge clouds of black smoke, idling for hours at a time with nobody inside, or stuck in soul crushing traffic. Just the other day it took a hour to drive five miles with tens of thousands of vehicles packed in.

It's also really easy to see the direct environmental impact - any place that does oil changes or repairs tires is surrounded by a huge patch of jet black earth where the waste products are simply tossed on the ground. Used tires are piled high, and crashed or burnt out vehicles commonly litter the roadside. In the first world we hide all of that from sight, sometimes I think it's better to have it out in the open so we can be more aware of what is really going on.

Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by futureastronaut on Thursday March 07, 2019 @10:19AM (#19328668)
> In the first world we hide all of that from sight

There's no hiding. The cars are much cleaner with lower emissions. We have industrial pollution laws so auto shops have to safely dispose of waste. We don't leave burnt out cars on the roadside. You can add chaos to anything to make that thing look bad.

Also I hope you see the irony in your comment starting with

> I've been driving around Africa for almost three years now

Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by davvolun on Thursday March 07, 2019 @11:27AM (#19329334)
I don't think that's really "ironic," and I don't just mean as a pedantic "what is the definition of irony" thing. The easiest way to see the problems with, say, airline travel is to travel by airlines. I don't know about "Africa" (and, what part of Africa -- last I heard, Africa is a pretty big place...), but in most places in the U.S., like it or not, you would very likely not be able to make a living without a personal vehicle.
Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by zeropnc on Thursday March 07, 2019 @04:53AM (#19326804)
Currently sitting at a border stop in Botswana with about 25 trucks standing around idling for hours. I am very inclined to agree with everything you've said.
Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by arethuza on Thursday March 07, 2019 @05:03AM (#19326847)
Out of interest - why the idling - to keep air-conditioning running?
Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by lazyjones on Thursday March 07, 2019 @05:08AM (#19326869)
Yet, life expectancy and population figures are growing rapidly in Africa. Cars don't seem to be the dangerous mass-murderers the article suggest. Perhaps the author forgot to mention their benefits and positive impact.
Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by melling on Thursday March 07, 2019 @05:37AM (#19327007)
Just thinking about that for 0.00000001 seconds, I’d say that has something to do with babies and young children not dying so early.

Reducing all those malaria deaths, etc did wonders.

But hey, it might be that pollution.

Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by lazyjones on Thursday March 07, 2019 @06:17AM (#19327181)
> Just thinking about that for 0.00000001 seconds, I’d say that has something to do with babies and young children not dying so early.

Keep thinking for a few more seconds until you realize how much impact cars had in connecting people, rural areas, people to health facilities.

Do you believe child deaths are prevented by people walking with sick children to hospitals, or medicine being distributed on camel backs?

Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by melling on Thursday March 07, 2019 @06:47AM (#19327286)
Life expectancy increased greatly from 1990 to 2015.

https://www.worldstagegroup.com/life-expectancy-in-africa-in...

Why do you think the automobile is responsible?

Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by lazyjones on Thursday March 07, 2019 @08:07AM (#19327666)
> Why do you think the automobile is responsible?

What makes you think I do?

I wrote that the positive contribution of automobiles should be considered and not denied. Why do you think distribution of malaria medication and child care was not improved by automobiles widely used in medical care and logistics?

Re:Cars are killing us. Within 10 years, we must phase them out by melling on Thursday March 07, 2019 @09:07AM (#19328070)
“This means a wholesale switch towards electric mass transit,”

His argument is to move towards electric mass transit, Which clearly won’t work everywhere. In fact, it won’t work in most places.

I think they must be having one of those nerd arguments.

Using coal for electricity, for example, helped change the world, and had positive effects, but we want to move beyond that.

Reducing the need for automobiles is definitely worth the effort. That doesn’t mean we will illuminate them of course, by a long shot.