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Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hungryhobo on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:02AM (#19308432)
honestly this is just not?true.

the Chinese script have evolved, but one can still look at inscriptions from thousands of years ago and understand it.

it might be hard for people to understand different dialects in China but they all use the same writing system, standardized in the Qin dynasty.

Same with the borrowed Chinese characters in Japanese and Korean. A native Chinese speaker would have little problem reading those, although the pronounciations might be a little different

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by dak1 on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:01AM (#19310204)
That's no different than saying the English alphabet is just a modified version of the Anglo-Saxon futhorc runic alphabet, and that with a dictionary and a bit of training you could use that too.

'ȝ' becomes 'g', 'Ð' becomes 'D', and we still use 'æ' today, which is also a rune, and they even used 'W'!

Also, the number of characters in Chinese has also drastically changed over time. So while many characters have a 1:1 lineage, far more characters simply did not exist 1 or 2 thousand years ago.

The only commonality is that they are based on pictographs and have a traceable etymology, although that's true for all languages.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hungryhobo on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @06:40PM (#19315261)
the difference is a single runic symbol does not convey any meaning while the Chinese characters does. which is why it's not hard for the average Chinese speaker to figure out what an ancient Chinese inscription is talking about
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by magduf on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @01:16PM (#19312703)
>Same with the borrowed Chinese characters in Japanese and Korean. A native Chinese speaker would have little problem reading those, although the pronounciations might be a little different

The Japanese pronunciation of Chinese characters is absolutely nothing like the Chinese pronunciation of them, and the meaning is sometimes different too. (The Kanji for "letter" (as in a piece of paper you write a letter on) means "toilet paper" in Chinese.)

https://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/cj-false-friends.html

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hungryhobo on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @06:44PM (#19315282)
sure there are edge cases but at least I know it's paper, and i'd be able to figure its actually letter from context in the rest of the sentence
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by magduf on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @09:52AM (#19319283)
For many, yes, but you were still absolutely wrong about pronunciation. They're not even remotely the same, as the two languages are not in any way similar and don't share any kind of common root.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by prevedmedved on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @03:44AM (#19309132)
Are you seriously claiming that you can understand seal script inscriptions?

Are you Indiana Jones?

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hnnmzh on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @06:48AM (#19309895)
Yes for me. Of course I don't know every single character by heart but with a little bit practice and the help of a dictionary you can read a lot. You can even download some seal script fonts and make all the Chinese websites shown in seal script.
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hnnmzh on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:43AM (#19310414)
Some additional thoughts.

With some training, people can read seal script inscriptions because the structure is already fairly close to regular script which is what people use today.

The radicals are written in slightly different styles from today. It actually makes sense. Seal script is a very artistic form of calligraphy, so people use it for their seals hence the name.

An example of the "drum" character: http://www.guoxuedashi.com/zixing/yanbian/11208mb/ The horizontal arrow is the time line, starting from oracle bone script. The 4th one of the first row is seal script and the last regular script.

The idea depicted here is hitting a decorated drum on a rack with a drum stick holding in the hand.

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hangonhn on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @11:22AM (#19311562)
Not sure if you know Chinese or not but seal script will look rather familiar to anyone who knows Chinese:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_script

If you look at the picture on the upper right, you can make out "tian xia" and "wang" -- all under heaven (i.e. the world) and king (the character for emperor isn't invented yet)

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hnnmzh on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @02:54PM (#19313636)
> the character for emperor isn't invented yet

Hmm it's right there。 The 4th “皇” and 5th “帝”。 And the combined form “皇帝” - a title invented by the First Emperor himself。

Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hangonhn on Friday March 08, 2019 @01:31PM (#19340512)
Good catch. But that just adds more to my point: modern Chinese can understand seal script to a large extend because seal script is the ancestor of the modern (non-simplified) Chinese. My guess is that neither you nor I are "Indiana Jones".
Re:Studying the demise of historic civilisations by hungryhobo on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @06:41PM (#19315272)
your language requires Indiana jones, but don't assume that's the case for everyone