in australia at least these days, i’ve gone to arbitrary doctors for my 3mo tests and things and almost always they’ve offered to prescribe me PrEP... i’m already on it, but it seems here it’s being promoted by almost everyone!

PrEP was easy enough to get on with my PCP but I got priced out when my company changed insurance. What use to be a tier 2 drug became tier 4 meaning what used to drop down to a $30 copay after my deductible was met now would cost me $400/mo until I hit my $6K OOP max (which I cannot afford).

What country was this in?

Do you say the same thing to women who are on birth control? Or do you believe that gay men, specifically, should be denied the ability to use a second form of protection?

Seriously?

Condoms break. People enjoy sex. Telling people not to have sex is BS. Monogamy is great if you can find the right person. Many don't, or don't find them for a long time.

There's PEP for condoms breaking.

There's some bastards who go around in clubs and prick people with infected needles. There's a subculture in some communities that believe that everyone should have HIV.

Citation needed

Here’s a debunk https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hiv-infected-needle-attack...

Is it enough of a threat that people take drugs beacause of it?

It seems like wearing a kevlar vest every time you go out to avoid being stabbed and no normal person does that.

Is that covered by insurance? In the UK, some people are expecting the NHS to pay for it.

The NHS absolutely should pay for it.

I disagree. The steps to avoid requiring it are well understood.

If people want to indulge in "risky" behaviour, I have no problem with that. I just don't want to pay for it out of my taxes. It's like someone who makes a habit of jumping out of aeroplanes complaining that the government won't pay for his parachutes.

>If people want to indulge in "risky" behaviour, I have no problem with that. I just don't want to pay for it out of my taxes.

You will pay for it out of your taxes when those people become HIV positive - and it will cost even more than PREP.

> If people want to indulge in "risky" behaviour, I have no problem with that. I just don't want to pay for it out of my taxes.

You do understand that taking PrEP is literally the opposite of "risky behavior"? Just because you are on PrEP does not mean you immediately stop using condoms. Do some people use PrEP as an alternative to condoms? Sure but some women use birth control as the same thing. Please don't lump us all into the same category. Even on PrEP I still used condoms and only had sex with people who were undetectable. I used PrEP to cover all my bases, not to take risks.

According to your logic, people who ride in or drive cars shouldn't get any insured treatment if they have a crash, because they willingly indulged in risky behavior.

Should the government not pay for costs due to pregnancy? The steps to avoid it are well understood, and it does cost a lot of money.

Yeah, not sure you can class promiscuous shagging to bringing a child into the world.

That’s just straight-up homophobia, which is not ok on HN. Most HIV transmission occurs within relationships, and most causal sex (gay or straight) happens indoors and in private.

Your edit doesn't really make sense, as a quite a lot of children are the result of "promiscuous" sex, and the NHS still pays for the relevant care.

You're still ignoring the fact that HIV transmission typically occurs in the context of regular sex with the same person. Having one-off sex with strangers actually isn't a particularly efficient way of becoming HIV positive.

Well, I'd say one was the most important thing most people will do, and evolutionarily their whole reason for existing.

Absent being a sex worker, the other is just hedonism.

Weirdly, you seem to be missing the fact that children happen as a consequence of sex (and not uncommonly as a consequence of promiscuous sex).

Accidentally becoming pregnant can be exactly as "hedonistic" as accidentally becoming HIV positive.

And I think you are going to bring a lot more data to back up the nobility of "bringing a child into the world" because I think that's straight up BS. Ignoring the scores of unplanned pregnancies I think the notion that "bringing a child into the world" is "the most important thing most people will do" is reductionist and frankly disgusting that you think THAT is "the most important thing most people will do". What a sorry state our world is in if that is the case.

Name something most people do that is more important than having a child.

Choosing deliberately to not have a child.

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