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Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by Amygaz on Monday February 25, 2019 @08:34AM (#19245471)
The problem with Vit D3 supplement is that you don’t absorb most of it. It is well known, than the bioavailability of the supplements is not the same and that even the molecule itself is not the same as the one your organism produces.

Also, the science is starting to question the supplementation. It’s too early to tell, but one hypothesis is that it is a biomarker at the end of a pathway and not at the beginning of it, i.e. as a consequence of a proper diet and sunlight, and not a cause of a healthy system.

Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by neuronic on Monday February 25, 2019 @09:23AM (#19245763)
So the vitamin D might be there due to a healthy system instead of the system being healthy due to vitamin D.

An analogy would be the analysis of car exhaust, finding certain levels of CO2, and trying to fix cars with "bad exhaust" by throwing more CO2 into the intake (except maybe this would even have a negative effect by hindering combustion).

Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by blattimwind on Monday February 25, 2019 @11:05AM (#19246563)
> An analogy would be the analysis of car exhaust, finding certain levels of CO2, and trying to fix cars with "bad exhaust" by throwing more CO2 into the intake (except maybe this would even have a negative effect by hindering combustion).

This is an hilarious (and fitting) analogy for nutrition sciences.

Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by hopler on Monday February 25, 2019 @12:06PM (#19247137)
There was a classic TV ad by an oil company that said that CO2 is great because it is plant food. It's still an argument used by folks who oppose CO2 controls.
Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by newscracker on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:10AM (#19246124)
> It is well known, than the bioavailability of the supplements is not the same and that even the molecule itself is not the same as the one your organism produces.

Reputed and trustworthy citations from scientific sources required, please.

Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by logfromblammo on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:47AM (#19246419)
Every cholecalciferol molecule is the same. This is chemistry. Chemicals that are not the same cannot have the same chemical name. Every animal (without a genetic defect specific to the precursor chemicals) produces the same 7-dehydrocholesterol molecules, and every 7-dehydrocholesterol will, under UVB light, convert to cholecalciferol.

Industrial production of vitamin D3 irradiates the 7-dehydrocholesterol extracted from sheep's lanolin with UVB light.

There is some question as to whether ergocalciferol--a chemical mainly found in fungi that produce ergosterol and have been exposed to UVB light--is biologically equivalent to cholecalciferol in humans. It can alleviate vitamin D deficiency symptoms, but it is not known with certainty whether it can produce a sufficiency. As far as I am aware, the known cases of hypervitaminosis D have resulted from ergocalciferol supplementation, rather than from cholecalciferol.

If you are supplementing with vitamin D3, the chemical you are consuming is identical to that produced in your skin under UVB irradiation. There is no evidence whatsoever that it is destroyed in or poorly absorbed by the human digestive system. If you swallow 15000 IU of vitamin D3, that is the equivalent of standing shirtless in temperate midday sun for 15 minutes, after which time you will achieve no further benefit until some time has been spent absorbing the cholecalciferol and replenishing the 7-dehydrocholesterol in your skin.

It is poorly known, that if you have to preface a statement with "it is well known", what follows is less likely to be "known" than "unattributably rumored".

Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by jimmy1 on Monday February 25, 2019 @10:26AM (#19246251)
No it’s not required. This is a discussion board not a thesis paper review board. Do your own googling. If he or she is wrong then call bullshit.
Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by zadjii on Monday February 25, 2019 @11:31AM (#19246762)
IMO "Reputed and trustworthy citations from scientific sources required, please." is just a more elegant way of calling bullshit
Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by hopler on Monday February 25, 2019 @12:06PM (#19247142)
It's an elegant way of covering noise with more noise.
Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by kortilla on Monday February 25, 2019 @02:55PM (#19248819)
It is required. Just claiming something is well-known to counter someone’s suggestion without providing any evidence isn’t very productive.
Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by jimmy1 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:34PM (#19266683)
No other suggestion was offered in the post I am referring to, just a "sources pl0x" ask. Here is the simplest counter example I can think of.

"Gravity is real."

"Reputed and trustworthy citations from scientific sources required, please."

You can get less and less ridiculous from here ad nauseam, but the point is made.

Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by newscracker on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @07:39AM (#19253745)
"It is well known" is a weasel word, and hence requires more substantiation when asked. If one has to rely on Googling on these matters, one can find so many contradictory views. So I wanted to know what reputed sources the GP was relying on to use "It is well known" for that claim.
Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by b_gen on Monday February 25, 2019 @03:06PM (#19248902)
how about just search hacker news? https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/11/10/6665455...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/mar/09/is-vitamin-d...

And those studies saying otherwise have been backed by a lot of questionable money: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/business/vitamin-d-michae...

Oh by the way sunscreen is terrible, it doesn't have a proven link to reducing cancer and it destroys reefs so do yourself a favor and get more sun without all the slimy goop so you can feel better AND save the planet!

Re:Sunlight through glass does not provide Vitamin D by slothtrop on Monday February 25, 2019 @11:35AM (#19246787)
Pairing K2, or consuming vegetables high in vitamin K, helps with this. Personally I both consume a supplement and use a SAD light.