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Re:Linux Problems on the Desktop (2018) by michaelmrose on Monday February 25, 2019 @03:57AM (#19244118)
People aren't in denial people are by and large aware of the issues an average person experiences when using Linux and the resources or lack thereof available to reverse engineer an entire universe of unfriendly hardware vendors work to enable joe blow to take his $399 walmart special and install linux on it.

If people want linux on the desktop to offer a more polished experience the only way about it is for everyone to put their money where their mouth is.

If "Linux" were a company we would be justified in demanding a fully finished product before buying but free software is a resource that already benefits billions even if they only interact with it via android, or web services.

"As the author points out, regression failures are a big problem. The sheer bloat of Linux has made it unmaintainable. And who wants that job? Big chunks of important code are abandonware."

This seems to be unsupported supposition that we are supposed to take as received wisdom.

Re:Linux Problems on the Desktop (2018) by rbanffy on Monday February 25, 2019 @05:58AM (#19244673)
Sorry, but chances are the $399 Walmart special uses an Intel chip with integrated GPU and, because of that, will work out of the box. Perfectly.

Lack of hardware support happens mostly on the other end of the spectrum, with very high-end graphics cards no kernel developer has ever seen from up close and multi-card setups that are essentially unique. I feel sorry for the people who need that but unless hardware manufacturers start to properly document their stuff, make it available to Linux kernel developers and START PAYING MONEY to have drivers developed (like vendors do with Windows) it'll not improve.

Re:Linux Problems on the Desktop (2018) by sametmax on Monday February 25, 2019 @07:58AM (#19245268)
> unfriendly hardware vendors

You mean people with economical pressure to be profitable ?

As a Linux user, I know I represent a fraction of the market. I'm grateful when people invest in us, because I know it's a great move in principle, but it's not always one money-wise.

Building hardware is HARD. Selling is HARD.

Being dismissive to the people not being able to provide linux support is not going to win them to our cause.

Re:Linux Problems on the Desktop (2018) by michaelmrose on Monday February 25, 2019 @02:36PM (#19248647)
Unfriendly is assholes who ship hardware that neither follows standards nor bothers to ship with documentation. I'm not dismissing them nor will we win them over to any side because they aren't even part of the conversation they only converse with oems buying millions of units.
Re:Linux Problems on the Desktop (2018) by rbanffy on Monday February 25, 2019 @01:39PM (#19248116)
> You mean people with economical pressure to be profitable ?

Selling more hardware is usually good for a hardware manufacturer. So is having fewer people returning their equipment because it doesn't work.

> not being able to provide linux support

Most kernel developers would be ecstatic just with proper documentation of the hardware being sold.

Re:Linux Problems on the Desktop (2018) by sametmax on Monday February 25, 2019 @01:49PM (#19248219)
> Selling more hardware is usually good for a hardware manufacturer. So is having fewer people returning their equipment because it doesn't work.

It all depends of the ROI. In hardware the economy at scale is at play, and it doesn't go well with niches.

> Most kernel developers would be ecstatic just with proper documentation of the hardware being sold.

I agree. That's mostly a matter of culture. Many companies won't publish docs, because they are either afraid of competition, pirating, or looking stupid.