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Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by newscracker on Friday February 22, 2019 @12:05AM (#19223274)
Quotes from the article, with my emphasis in italics:

> Facebook will end its unpaid market research programs and proactively take its Onavo VPN app off the Google Play store in the wake of backlash following TechCrunch’s investigation about Onavo code being used in a Facebook Research app the sucked up data about teens.

> Facebook has also ceased to recruit new users for the Facebook Research app that still runs on Android but was forced off of iOS by Apple after we reported on how it violated Apple’s Enterprise Certificate program for employee-only apps. Existing Facebook Research app studies will continue to run, though.

> To preempt any more scandals around Onavo and the Facebook Research app and avoid Google stepping in to forcibly block the apps, Facebook is now taking Onavo off the Play Store and stopping recruitment of Research testers.

It’s a very weird use of “proactively” in this context. Facebook doesn’t seem to be acting quick either. Given that Google hasn’t yet done anything on this app on the Play Store (after all this while), that’s not a serious threat.

Facebook is just being Facebook here, doing some minimal changes to fend off criticism while it continues with its dubious practices wherever it hasn’t been caught and shamed multiple times yet.

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by cobbzilla on Thursday February 21, 2019 @11:59PM (#19223257)
> A Facebook spokesperson claimed in a statement that “there was nothing ‘secret’ about this”, yet it had threatened legal action if users publicly discussed the Research program.

Will wonders never cease?

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by bredren on Friday February 22, 2019 @12:18AM (#19223307)
The cavalier attitude says to me that this company is still a start up at heart. Early-stage companies often break a lot of rules that’s how you get big. Facebook is just still doing it.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by skrebbel on Friday February 22, 2019 @12:40AM (#19223394)
This "it's ok to act immorally and illegally when you're a startup" attitude has to die in a fire.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by dannyr on Friday February 22, 2019 @12:50AM (#19223439)
Problem is governments never really acted aside from the US congressional hearings. While this is happening, Facebook's profits are up.

There's really nothing compelling Zuck and Facebook to act morally and legally.

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by zaarn on Friday February 22, 2019 @03:04AM (#19223833)
The EU had a hearing as well. The UK had one after that and Zucc didn't show. I guess the other EU members are satisfied to know that FB doesn't give enough of a shit to actually show up when asked to show up.
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Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by NeedMoreTea on Friday February 22, 2019 @02:26AM (#19223738)
In the USA perhaps. Some of the other countries they operate in had and have taxis, and food delivery, that work just fine. All Uber has done is introduce unreliable, heavily subsidised - and therefore unfair - competition.

It's the Walmart model: Make a loss until the others go under thanks to deepest pockets. When none remain, raise prices markedly.

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by icebraining on Friday February 22, 2019 @03:01PM (#19228616)
Not just in the US; I live in Europe and fully welcomed Uber's arrival. And as I expected, after they opened the market many more competitors came, so I don't even have to keep using them. In a moment they'll go under due to their unsustainable model, leaving more decent companies in charge.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by NeedMoreTea on Friday February 22, 2019 @05:47PM (#19229850)
Oh I'm sure there's plenty of places where they've helped.

I think you're right about the future though - unlike a Walmart I see precious little lock-in for Uber.

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by jfk13 on Friday February 22, 2019 @06:58AM (#19224613)
Ah, so that's what it's called. I thought that was the Amazon model.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by scarejunba on Friday February 22, 2019 @01:00AM (#19223466)
It's not immoral or illegal. It's just "will convict in the court of public opinion". And as a startup you should ignore that.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by ancorevard on Friday February 22, 2019 @08:47AM (#19225199)
Please don't attribute Facebook's lack of values to all other startups, that's a gross generalization.

A company's values reflects the values of its people, especially the founding people. Facebook's immoral behavior can be traced all the way back to its start and ultimately its maker.

Privacy is not a principle Facebook is willing to act on.

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by bredren on Friday February 22, 2019 @10:16AM (#19225993)
I didn’t say anything about values.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by rchaud on Friday February 22, 2019 @02:22PM (#19228245)
The attitude says to me "We've lied or misled the public so often, they're not even going to try to pin us down on this tiny one".
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by deogeo on Friday February 22, 2019 @10:12AM (#19225965)
NDA's are ripe for abuse, and should be severely limited by law.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by duxup on Friday February 22, 2019 @12:18AM (#19223304)
They supposedly shutdown Onavo on the iPhone.... only to just resubmit it under another name.

Accordingly I'm a bit skeptical about how much of a shutdown happens here.

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by mehrdadn on Friday February 22, 2019 @12:26AM (#19223336)
I thought that fell under "unpaid market research programs" which is also shutting down.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by Shish2k on Friday February 22, 2019 @10:56AM (#19226338)
> only to just resubmit it under another name

The facebook paid research program existed for years before the onavo shutdown

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by jarym on Friday February 22, 2019 @03:50AM (#19223971)
It’s a shame because I used Onavo before it was acquired and back in the days of limited mobile data plans it really reduced my bills. I didn’t trust FB so ditched it right after they got bought (feeling validated!).

However it got me thinking. What if FB and others went to the popular VPN services (like ExpressVPN) and said ‘here’s $xxx million - could you share aggregate data about visits to our competitors’. How many would go for it?

Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by AznHisoka on Friday February 22, 2019 @06:14AM (#19224469)
A lot of these VPN services already sell their data to 3rd parties.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by LifeLiverTransp on Friday February 22, 2019 @08:24AM (#19225031)
Including governments- who sometimes own them via secret service blackfunds.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by Haga on Friday February 22, 2019 @12:58AM (#19223460)
Postponed for PR, renamed for the internal use, soon standard for all products.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by dastx on Friday February 22, 2019 @04:54AM (#19224206)
Isn't this the second time they've done this whole vpn thing? What's stopping them from rebranding it again and reselling it under a different name only to be caught again so they then say "we're gonna stop" and then rinse and repeat.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by dannyr on Friday February 22, 2019 @12:21AM (#19223314)
I'm disappointed that Google was fine with Onavo being in the Play Store and it took Facebook (!) itself to actually remove the app.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by Mirioron on Friday February 22, 2019 @02:24AM (#19223727)
I would much rather Google allow this and let users decide than the opposite.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by lozenge on Friday February 22, 2019 @08:28AM (#19225054)
It's trivial to install Google-unlisted software, so users can decide either way.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by Mirioron on Friday February 22, 2019 @09:32PM (#19231219)
It isn't trivial. I don't think my parents will ever be able to install software that Google doesn't like on their phone.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by bprasanna on Friday February 22, 2019 @01:52AM (#19223626)
One should be morally good to enforce morality on others! They all exploit users' privacy with the one powerful weapon called "Settings".
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by shemtovo on Friday February 22, 2019 @05:34AM (#19224347)
Don't believe a word they are saying.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by aasasd on Friday February 22, 2019 @01:50AM (#19223623)
The circus with the relaunches under different names reminds of how the agencies similarly scramble to split and rename their, ahem, initiatives whenever the public gets too noisy. Or how the very same thing happens to unpopular bills.
Re:Facebook Will Shut Down Its Spyware VPN App Onavo by HelloNurse on Friday February 22, 2019 @03:20AM (#19223873)
So, what are they going to call this spyware going forward?