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Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by jayd16 on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:54AM (#19055801)
>While Voice Match learning the sound of your voice sounds like a completely local task

But voice rec is not local. The reason it asks to store your voice is because they need to send it to their backend for recognition.

Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by reaperducer on Friday February 01, 2019 @01:56PM (#19057240)
But voice rec is not local

Voice rec was local until about ten years ago. You could even buy software dictation products that installed from CDROM and didn't need a network connection.

I shouldn't need a network connection to do anything voice on my own device. It should only reach out to the network for things it doesn't have local knowledge of.

Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by TeMPOraL on Friday February 01, 2019 @04:25PM (#19058802)
Can confirm. Microsoft Speech API of ~2007 with little training worked very well for me, even across the room on a crappy microphone I hand-soldered to a 2m cable. If that worked fully off-line without a big performance penalty on mid-end 2007 hardware, it surely can work now.
Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by jayd16 on Friday February 01, 2019 @07:53PM (#19060214)
If its that easy you should make an app because there's certainly a market for it. The reality is online connected services are far far better.

There's a reason voice rec has only now finally stuck.

Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by ben_w on Friday February 01, 2019 @08:14PM (#19060305)
On my iPhone, the voice keyboard works pretty well in airplane mode. Not quite as well as when it has signal, but the difference is small… with the sole exception that it recognises everything as if it is English in Airplane mode, and only uses the language of the keyboard (if different) when I have signal.
Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by tinus_hn on Friday February 01, 2019 @09:17PM (#19060588)
By default, iOS dictation is also online.
Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by Animats on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:08PM (#19059222)
Yes. Is there a voice dialer for Android any more that does the voice recognition locally? There's nothing in the F-Droid store.
Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by darkpuma on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:02PM (#19059168)
Furthermore many smartphones can do voice dictation while in airplane mode.
Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by beezischillin on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:30PM (#19056212)
They don't need to explicitly save and store a history of every voice command to do voice recognition.
Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by DennisAleynikov on Friday February 01, 2019 @12:35PM (#19056283)
there might be implementations that don't do this for instance Siri or Bixby but that doesn't mean Googles approach is wrong.

It can be unacceptable for your privacy and security threat model but for most it makes 0 difference wether the training continuously happens in the cloud or locally on the NPU inside your phone.

Saving all the clips as much as people love to fear monger it is literally the strategy that objectively leads to the highest quality implementation on the market. Googles Assistant by far understands language most naturally and we owe that to all the free vocal training data google diligently uses.

Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by quickben on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:18PM (#19059301)
"but for most it makes 0 difference wether the training continuously happens in the cloud or locally on the NPU inside your phone."

Sadly, nobody will ever know if this is true as the choice doesn't exist.

Re:New study: Google manipulates users into constant tracking by DennisAleynikov on Saturday February 02, 2019 @03:41AM (#19061922)
the choice does exist, Apple iPhone does everything privacy first, Android does things cost savings first (aka the cloud)

Most people seem to like the Google Assistant for more natural interactions and only tolerate siri for her limited uses she can do.